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Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Title should specify that it is Indian government. I was worried for a second there that it was the American government. I should have read the url though.

I get it but you shouldn’t assume everything is about the USA. YC may be based here but it’s a big world out there.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Largely uncited and generalised exposition of Bangladeshi's misses other factors which could be involved in their decision towards distrust of India. It's reasonable to distrust a neighboring country with distinct interest, even if they went to war for you, sure. You don't owe them anything. Similarly, it's actually also normal for India to have concerns about illegal migration, similar to Europe, America, Australi…

> a relatively benign nationalist Are you a European, out of curiosity? I feel like South Asians don’t really have the ability to translate European history. Not that I’m some expert, but we can report good on-the-ground experiences about "relatively benign nationalism" and where it leads.

Indian christian. European history and South Asian history are really quite different and don't map at all

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with the Modi and Hindutva project almost entirely, not only politically, but on a personal level coming from a minority community (Christian) in India. However, India is in what basically amounts to a perpetual state of war with Pakistan and has always been this way. India rarely agresses Pakistan and Pakistani terror groups do operate with seeming impunity in India (Pakistan doesn't even maintain a 'no-f…

> India is in what basically amounts to a perpetual state of war with Pakistan and has always been this way. You mean, since India and Pakistan were invented 79 years ago?

Yes. Since these two nations came into being they have been in what is basically a state of war. That is what perpetual means.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what happens if you have a flight that gets diverted to India and they search your bags and find a satellite phone?

I'm aware of stories of people who've had their flights unexpectedly grounded in New York (, New York) so they just abandoned their checked pistol and refused to collect it. I'd imagine something similar. If you never take possession, it becomes harder to charge and convict someone for possession.

But wouldn't they know whose bag it was anyway? And there's cameras everywhere so it wouldn't help if you e.g. removed the bag tags or discarded the contents somewhere else in the airport.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with the Modi and Hindutva project almost entirely, not only politically, but on a personal level coming from a minority community (Christian) in India. However, India is in what basically amounts to a perpetual state of war with Pakistan and has always been this way. India rarely agresses Pakistan and Pakistani terror groups do operate with seeming impunity in India (Pakistan doesn't even maintain a 'no-f…

> India is in what basically amounts to a perpetual state of war with Pakistan and has always been this way. You mean, since India and Pakistan were invented 79 years ago?

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Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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> the app enables communication even during network restrictions and creates a substantial risk of misuse by anti-national elements, terrorist organisations, organised criminal groups and cyber criminals seeking to evade lawful detection and continue communication despite legally imposed restrictions. This mouthful boils down to exactly this: a form of communication not controlled by the government creates a risk for…

Instant, wide-range (mesh) private comms are rather different than a couple of people out in a field at night talking.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Remember that Google is working to introduce developer verification to Android soon, making it trivial for governments to force Google to revoke a certain developer's apps within that country. The whole developer verification thing is about security... for Google's grip on Android and goverments' grip on communication

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Bluetooth based messaging apps are naturally able to circumvent internet restrictions that inhibit protests, citizen journalism and other kinds of unapproved activities but there are several ways Bluetooth could be updated as a protocol to introduce compatibility with some kind of antibody-esque suppression of communication standard. It's just a matter of interested parties setting up a body to create the standard, w…

Meshtastic, reticulum, meshcore... We need more.

But here it shows another problem: who controls the distribution channel, they also control which program can be found and installed (by the mass) and which not.

Without a critical mass of adoption, mesh applications are largely useless.

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