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Re: IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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Post by ViscountPenguin »

honeycrispy wrote: post #261
ifwinterco wrote: post #157

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> The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. Sahih Muslim 2922 When they're surrounded on every side by people who…

There's a pretty clear back and forth between Israel committing warcrimes, and Israels enemies commiting warcrimes back. While I can't say that it's unexpected for Israel to commit genocide, I can absolutely blame them, and certainly blame Netanyahu for their constantly escalatory strategies.

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Post by dosisking »

ncruces wrote: post #295
Macha wrote: post #187

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Officially, neither is the US, since Trump doesn't have that power.

If you take that approach, Ukraine is still a special operation.

Russia has officially declared they are at war with Ukraine

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Post by laughing_man »

denkmoon wrote: post #326
laughing_man wrote: post #320

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Why do you say they're "clearly going to be worried about getting nuked"? I see no indication that's true.

What would you expect to see if they were? ooc

I would expect them to not launch thousands of missiles at Israel... is that a trick question?

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Post by laughing_man »

roenxi wrote: post #340
laughing_man wrote: post #320

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Why do you say they're "clearly going to be worried about getting nuked"? I see no indication that's true.

That is similar to pointing to someone on the street and claiming they want to commit suicide because you see no indication that they want to live. Unless there is strong evidence we can safely assume people don't want to be nuked. "I see no indication" is not the standard. The Iranians didn't start this, they don't seem to want to continue it and it is obvious that their planning will involve basic considerations li…

What target could the Iranians hit you believe would provoke a nuclear response?

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Post by dosisking »

TRiG_Ireland wrote: post #294
drnick1 wrote: post #87

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Iran gets to learn "you break it, you buy it," with their own money. The remaining government officials still running their mouths on X and elsewhere should also be grateful they are still alive.

If Iran had the capability to drop a bomb on Mar a Lago, I imagine they'd have done it by now. And the world might be a better place for it.

So far the Iranian response has been very strategic and calculated. So much so, that the majority of the west especially the Trump administration is not even capable of understanding their strategy.

I don't think it serves a strategic purpose to bomb Mar a Lago at this stage in the game.

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Post by roenxi »

laughing_man wrote: post #346
roenxi wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is similar to pointing to someone on the street and claiming they want to commit suicide because you see no indication that they want to live. Unless there is strong evidence we can safely assume people don't want to be nuked. "I see no indication" is not the standard. The Iranians didn't start this, they don't seem to want to continue it and it is obvious that their planning will involve basic considerations li…

What target could the Iranians hit you believe would provoke a nuclear response?

Things like the Knesset, attempts to knock out the entire military leadership simultaneously, maybe some sort of attack designed to wipe out a significant % of Israelis although I don't know what that would look like (maybe some sort of hit to take out food distribution or water).

Attacks trying to topple the Israeli state, in essence. Knocking out profitable capital is quite unlikely to do it.

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Post by anigbrowl »

gpt5 wrote: post #309
mardifoufs wrote: post #299

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You forgot to mention a small detail, the US did that only after they started a war. The US is known for its perfidy at this point, so any deals they propose aren't exactly trustworthy, and the US couldn't even contain israel after the latest MoU which made it void.

Not true. The US has been negotiating with Iran for over a year about a nuclear deal before the war started. This has all been public.

1-800-come-on-now

The current POTUS tore up the last nuclear deal with iran in 2018 for domestic political payoff. I can't take protestations about 'we've been trying to negotiate!' seriously when they come from the same people that created nearly a decade of strategic uncertainty (preceded by years of trash talk) and whose negotiation style oscillates between brutal violence and self-pitying wheedling.

I don't want to be partisan, but the incumbent POTUS is the epitome of dishonesty and the political polarization in US domestic politics is so extreme that even US allies are talking about a generational loss of trust. It would be irrational for a historical antagonist like Iran to bank on negotiating a new agreement with a country that refuses to bind itself by any international norms; it seems to me that it would be far more rational for Iran to breakout in pursuit of a nuke, and having once performed a successful test, reap the benefits of strategic stability that have gradually accrued to North Korea despite its ongoing pariah status. That is to say, once they have a nuke and other countries can no longer casually attack them, more of their economy can be redirected away from acquiring a strategic deterrent and into more normal kinds of economic development.

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