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Re: Ask HN: Is there a website that tracks excessive writes to SSDs in OS/app betas?

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What about people who want their laptop to last 10 years?

You can replace your SSD without replacing your laptop.

I think people have forgotten what year it is and how ubiquitous SoC and unified memory designs have become.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a website that tracks excessive writes to SSDs in OS/app betas?

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Really?? I would consider such laptops not fit for purpose and wouldn't buy one in the first place. Of course, that doesn't help if that's the sort you have. Sorry.

MacBooks are like that.

Well, then I wouldn't buy a MacBook.

Regardless, if you're concerned about the logging of beta software prematurely wearing out your SSD, then don't use beta software. It's not ready for release anyway, by definition. It's there so you can help test it for the developers. Logging is an important part of that.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a website that tracks excessive writes to SSDs in OS/app betas?

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> If not, why not? At least on Apple devices, this is not something anyone has to worry about. For example, on my 2022 Mac Studio daily driver, on 24/7, DriveDx ( https://binaryfruit.com/drivedx ) reports my SSD lifetime left at 94%. (I'm aware of the February 2021 "wear-gate" scare involving the first M1 Macs. This turned to be incorrect SSD-wear reporting.)

On my personal computers I keep track of this and ensure nothing goes write-crazy.

On my work laptop though (M3 Pro, 1TB), I’m at ~70% health. Iirc the lifetime writes are at >700TB. I do develop on it, but a lot of it is due to the various endpoint security software that’s always there logging every single possible thing but I can’t do much about it. I expect the ssd to die first in this laptop at this rate, so best I can do is ensure everything always synced/backed up from my local work laptop.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a website that tracks excessive writes to SSDs in OS/app betas?

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It helps reduce size and weight since you can just directly place ssd chips on the motherboard instead of planning for connectors. Just depends on what your priorities are.

imagine the 2 grams you'll be losing by skipping the m.2 connector

Connectors are points of failure. The less of them, the more reliable.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a website that tracks excessive writes to SSDs in OS/app betas?

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Just configure wear leveling in your storage layer. FDE may be the easiest way ti do it. Writes will be done linearly in circular fashion. That makes it difficult to delete stuff, but with encryption it's moot.

devices already do wear management.

at most, you should configure your system and OS to give them a chance. for instance, being 100% full all the time is just bad. use TRIM and log SMART metrics.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a website that tracks excessive writes to SSDs in OS/app betas?

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> If not, why not? At least on Apple devices, this is not something anyone has to worry about. For example, on my 2022 Mac Studio daily driver, on 24/7, DriveDx ( https://binaryfruit.com/drivedx ) reports my SSD lifetime left at 94%. (I'm aware of the February 2021 "wear-gate" scare involving the first M1 Macs. This turned to be incorrect SSD-wear reporting.)

With some badly written apps like Codex though, this may be a concern [1].

[1] https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/28224

Re: Ask HN: Is there a website that tracks excessive writes to SSDs in OS/app betas?

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If you are not using bottom of a barrel and you are not writing 4K HD 3H mkv every day then you wouldn't have a problem even with a 0.3 DPWD drive of a sufficient capacity .

> 0.3 DPWD What does this mean?

Drive Write Per Day (typo in my previous comment)

From the horse mouth: https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/servers-and-data-centers/un...

0.3 DWPD is for the cheapest ones but even for them you would never exhaust the flash resource in a common home usage.

To give you an idea:

a 120GB drive with 0.3 DWPD "allows" you to rewrite 120 x 0.3 = 40GBytes a day for 3 years straigth, which is 280GB/week or 1200GB/month.

for a 1TB drive it would be 300GB/day, 2100GB/week, 9000GB/month.

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