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IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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> When the Einsatzgruppen were "cleansing" conquered territory they at least had the decency to do so as humanely as possible. What a grossly offensive and patently false thing to say[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

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As an aside: I lack the vocabulary, but man those interactive "stats" cards scream LLM-written to me. No problem with it, necessarily, just something about that style seems to raise a flag in my mind.

My annoyance is that it's hard to figure out if it's actually up-to-date or not. If you click "Live conflict timeline →" it brings you to a collection of pages not updated since April (and at different points in April, oddly). The date count seems right, the oil price might have been correct when it was published but isn't "live" despite being labeled that way.

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> Bush didn't cause the mess in the gulf, period, full stop. Uh, > Is there space for nuanced discussion? Apparently not?

As mentioned, if you want to talk nuance bring the nuance to your comment. Don't try to fake it with "Even Bush and Biden" to make yourself feel smart on HN. You aren't, that shit's dangerous because it excuses further malfesance. Bush and Biden left a functioning gulf, Trump didn't. That difference is important even if you want to talk nuance.

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Bizarre in the sense of mostly performative tit for tat strikes instead of some kind of serious strategy to win and to win for good. And in the case of Iran, the strikes are telegraphed in advance in almost comedic fashion. “OK, we’re starting operation True Promise n. We’re launching missiles. We’re about to do it, guys. OK is everyone ready? For the missiles? These are the targets, but next time it could be more se…

If you're launching ballistics in a conflict where a local-theatre adversary has nukes, you might actually want to telegraph just what you're lobbing, when, and where, to avoid a Petrov-gone-wrong scenario.

"We're only hitting Gulf neighbour US-adjacent targets" is less threatening than "we're aiming directly at Israel".

(Though yes, Iran has struck Israel with > 200 missiles in a single attack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Iranian_strikes_o...>.)

Note that US attacks on Iran have been similarly loudly telegraphed in response. Though I suspect the rationale (if any) differs.

Re: IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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After this strike, the only AWS region in the ME that remains operational is the one in Tel Aviv (a bit ironic if you ask me). UAE has been down for months, Bahrain is now offline, Saudi Arabia is still under construction.

AMZN could have for example bought a "Gepard" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flakpanzer_Gepard ) - easily shoots down cruise missiles and drones. Just a couple millions would have saved billions.

That would imply two things:

One> An executive has to care about a cost center, then proceeds to invest in prevention instead of looking like a hero after, instead of putting off a fire an getting a promotion or bonus. Which is nigh impossible.

Two> Our tech overlords try to push for our cyberpunk present to at least look kinda cool. Which they also refuse todo.

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Between this and the Wildberries depot strikes in the Ukraine war, I think it really highlights how much peace was required to make the centralisation we've experienced work.

Centralised and long-distance commerce (and passenger travel) are all but wholly predicated on minuscule risks.

I draw parallels between the development of whales and large-scale shipping:

- Both are comparatively recent developments. Giant whales are less than 5 million years old, large cargo ships (tankers, dry bulk, containers) at what are now considered ordinary scales are less than three decades old. (See: https://logisticselearning.com/largest-container-ships/> especially graphic here: https://logisticselearning.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/im...>.)

- Both require highly-efficient propulsion: mammalian metabolism, petroleum-fueled diesel engines, respectively.

- Both require widely-separated resource opportunities. For whales, seasonally-abundant food such as krill or fish; for cargo, large-scale production and consumption of goods separated by water.

- Both require comparative safety from predators. Large adult whales have virtually no natural predators (orcas being a notable exception), until human whaling grew in scale largely since the 1500s and accelerating greatly through the 19th and 20th centuries, during which whole populations where annihilated. Maritime shipping depends on a lack of piracy or hostile naval warfare, with tremendous losses to traffic being seen during the 1st and 2nd World Wars in both the Atlantic and Pacific.

(There's a similar pattern with air travel, in which flights virtually instantly divert far from active combat zones. The list of airliner shoot-down incidents is surprisingly large: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_inc...>.)

Highly-centralised or choreographed logistics chains are also fragile and subject to disruption. During WWII, the Soviet Union was initially inclined to One Big Dump supply depots, possibly a hallmark of centralised planning. These proved attractive targets and quite harmful to ongoing operations, and over the course of the war much more decentralised patterns emerged, or so I dimly recall from long-ago reading. Decentralised operations are integral to much guerilla / asymmetric warfare by the inferior party.

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Between this and the Wildberries depot strikes in the Ukraine war, I think it really highlights how much peace was required to make the centralisation we've experienced work.

I didn't know they had significant fruit production in Russia and Ukraine. What sort of berries do they produce?

"Wildberries" is a Russian online retailer, comparable to Amazon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildberries>

Re: IRGC claims it destroyed Amazon's Bahrain data center

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I'm surprised you'd think sending civilians into a war zone is a good thing.

It's not like Amazon doesn't have tactical teams on call - if that was a priority, I'm sure it would have been done. But like any good datacenter provider, they have offsite backups, and I'd expect the damaged hardware will just be written off.

The company line has been that they expect you to have your own backups in a region outside of the Middle East or you’re hosed until they can turn the (now destroyed) buildings back on.

I wonder if AWS even has the capacity to keep an entire region’s data elsewhere if they wanted to (I mean they could with their margins, but I doubt they do.)

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Why do you say they're "clearly going to be worried about getting nuked"? I see no indication that's true.

That is similar to pointing to someone on the street and claiming they want to commit suicide because you see no indication that they want to live. Unless there is strong evidence we can safely assume people don't want to be nuked. "I see no indication" is not the standard. The Iranians didn't start this, they don't seem to want to continue it and it is obvious that their planning will involve basic considerations like not doing things that will get them nuked.

Although hitting the AWS data centre in Tel Aviv seems like it would be a great tit-for-tat strike to really annoy the US and Israelis without threatening them in a way that will provoke a nuclear response or doing real damage to civilians. So I don't see why they'd purposefully hold back on that.

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