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Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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The future will probably have most of all companies running local models, simply because the alternative would be essentially every company that uses LLMs ending up becoming completely dependent upon Anthropic et al. And that dependence would be milked to the point of absurdity once solidly established. And as a more general point - more major competitors in a domain is very good for everybody except those competitor…

Yeah I fully expect companies with lots of GPUs but not a good model like Microsoft and Amazon to just take these open weight models and make money, the GPU expense is the only moat at this point. It’s classic commoditize your complement, nobody can replicate the cloud providers, everyone can replicate the models with open weights.

yes, this seems to me to be the reason why these three companies want open weight. everyone wins (but especially big tech) in the open weight world except anthropic and openai. i suspect even google could live with the open weight scenario; they are in a sense the only tech company that is perfectly hedged in this respect.

i suppose this is part of why openai and anthropic have not been shy about advertising the scarier strains of their models, these past few months; they basically have to force the white house's hand or risk being commoditized among the various other options in a microsoft/openrouter dropdown.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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You can randomly shift every pixel in a movie by +/-1, doesn't make the original not copyrightable.

I mean movies are up on YouTube slightly pitch shifted lol.

That's just to avoid the detectors, it's not One Weird Trick.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action Probably because anthropic is pouring $40 million dollars into a political pact to regulate models. And they have not been quiet about wanting to ban/regulate OSS models either. I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy. Edit: I can’t English. At least we know this came from my dumb swishy brain

> I have no idea why HN still treats them like their the ethical good guy. I don't know that HN usually does. But they did buy a decent amount of publicity by (initially) telling the US government no in using the models for war.

Anthropic gained momentum in terms of public opinion, when they launched the no ads campaign and then after not supporting the use of AI without supervision in the military. And now it seems it has been lost after incidents like (people getting incorrect bills) their handling of fable etc

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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The list of companies that signed this letter is telling (including Nvidia, Meta, Microsoft). Equally telling is the list of companies that did not sign it -- including Google, Amazon.

Google and Amazon are Anthropic investors right?

Yes. Microsoft is an OpenAI investor and they did sign it.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Google and Amazon are Anthropic investors right?

Yes. Microsoft is an OpenAI investor and they did sign it.

there's a lot more context than that though. I don't think there's any love lost b/w them these days.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Yeah, this letter is just proof of (the by now long standing fact) of corporate power/corporate capture of American governance. Tons of popular protests against big AI? Makes no difference. Joint corporate letter about big AI? Possibly the government will do something.

If you support the ideas described in Nvidia's letter, you're going against popular opinion. Most Americans do not want to "make advanced AI more accessible, adaptable, and widely available". Indeed, many areas of the country including the entire state of New York have enacted datacenter moratoriums, responding to the widespread public concern that we can't have too much AI or it'll drink all our water.

Yeah hard to imagine why people would object to rising electricity and gas bills, negative environmental impact on their area for the privilege of ultimately losing their job.

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I wonder why Apple stayed absent from signing this?

Maybe less shocking, but still, so is google. I know they are one of the labs, but that being said they rely far less on gemini for revenue as opposed to the big 2.

I mean Google might just buy anthropic once it's ipo fails/never materializes

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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The fully loaded cost of employees at that salary level is likely over $100K. You may still be right on the relative expenses, but you can't just look at the top-level salary line.

There are a lot of unknowns. It will probably be harder to get an acceptable quality outcome in most fields than in the text-based, limited vocabulary, comparatively highly structured, granularly documented, relatively unambiguous world of code. For the ones where it’s even possible with our current approach, the economics might not even be feasible to provide the service. Based on how much money these companies need…

Also most people building these things are engineers and coders, what they know best is code. So naturally this aspect develops at an elevated speed. Getting non-tech experts to build a cutting edge tech product does not sound intuitively feasible.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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If you support the ideas described in Nvidia's letter, you're going against popular opinion. Most Americans do not want to "make advanced AI more accessible, adaptable, and widely available". Indeed, many areas of the country including the entire state of New York have enacted datacenter moratoriums, responding to the widespread public concern that we can't have too much AI or it'll drink all our water.

Yeah hard to imagine why people would object to rising electricity and gas bills, negative environmental impact on their area for the privilege of ultimately losing their job.

It's easy to imagine! What I find hard to imagine is someone who opposes the construction of AI datacenters while also having detailed opinions about open weights and identifying "American AI Leadership" as a laudable goal. We're not talking about local AI here, competitive open-weight models can't be run effectively on consumer hardware.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action Probably because anthropic is pouring $40 million dollars into a political pact to regulate models. And they have not been quiet about wanting to ban/regulate OSS models either. I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy. Edit: I can’t English. At least we know this came from my dumb swishy brain

There are plenty of people (myself included) who are critical of Anthropic. Sentiment isn't universal amongst a crowd, it might just feel that way due to the way comments are surfaced on HN once posts reach the front page.
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