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Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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They never did that. They said all they required was a human in the loop for kill decisions. No autonomous kill drones.

Human in the loop is infeasible in comms denied areas which is what we have in Ukraine/Russia right now. It's why Ukraine and Russia are now using fully autonomous drones. That's the only real solution to jamming.

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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None of the people signed this have ever produced a frontier model at a given date (Which is to say its neither Google/OAI/Ant). The ones that sign are meta, musk (who is in the shovel selling business as well), hugging face obviously and few others Note: Just pointing out the comment intent and nothing else

Google has produced Gemini Pro, Meta produced llama3-70B/llama3-405B and now has Muse, Musk has Grok. These are very capable models and to claim that they are not frontier is to stretch the meaning unless you want to say "#1 model" Gemini Pro at one point even if for a week, was #1 model.

I included Google along with Ant and OAI. OSS models have never been the highest performing model unless you refer to benchmaxxing.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Some irony: I subscribe to Claude and Codex (20x plans), and now Kimi. Why Kimi? because K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. (I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

> (I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

Same experience with Anthropic's. I applied for my employer, and.. 0 response.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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This is all a moot point because there's no way you can copyright a model because you can just randomly perturb weights and still be fine.

You can randomly shift every pixel in a movie by +/-1, doesn't make the original not copyrightable.

I mean movies are up on YouTube slightly pitch shifted lol.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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This is all a moot point because there's no way you can copyright a model because you can just randomly perturb weights and still be fine.

What does copyright have to do with anything? You also cannot copyright an encryption algorithm , but the US Government banned essentially mathematics for YEARS[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

Yeah copyright is kinda just like "if we say it's so then it's so"

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Probably a real effort to push for some kind of sanctions or commerce block on Chinese models. Anthropic just doubled their political spending to $40 mil for the midterms to push for "AI Safety."

I suspect that whatever Musk has agreed to spend on the midterms in exchange for those sweetheart deals the SpaceX IPO got will make that look absolutely comical, but we’ll see.

I don't see why convincing people to overpay for something based on hype and artificial scarcity required any "sweetheart deals" via congress.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

#227

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They never did that. They said all they required was a human in the loop for kill decisions. No autonomous kill drones.

Human in the loop is infeasible in comms denied areas which is what we have in Ukraine/Russia right now. It's why Ukraine and Russia are now using fully autonomous drones. That's the only real solution to jamming.

What does that have to do with LLMs hosted by Anthropic. They didn't say the Dept of War couldn't make kill bots. They said no using Claude to make kill decisions. A quadcopter drone running on a Raspberry Pi isn't running an Anthropic model locally.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

#228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They never did that. They said all they required was a human in the loop for kill decisions. No autonomous kill drones.

Human in the loop is infeasible in comms denied areas which is what we have in Ukraine/Russia right now. It's why Ukraine and Russia are now using fully autonomous drones. That's the only real solution to jamming.

anthropic's models would also be useless in a jammed environment though

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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I think they're generalizing beyond software engineers with what they're saying. G&A, Marketing, etc roles pay significantly less than software engineers and that $55-75k figure is realistic in lower cost of living areas. Even in Colorado, which the Denver Metro Area is HCOL, there are companies (smaller, regional, not national/global) still offering that level of salary.

Yeah, correct, I wasn't thinking of devs specifically, more other office/administrative roles threatened by automation. Even where I live in a relatively HCOL area, any non-dev office role you can still expect to see a$65-$80k salary range, and $80k is pushing toward the top end for non tech roles.

Depending on industry and public versus private here, that $80k+ barrier for non-tech is mostly management positions.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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> K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. This is wrong IMO. You should have a serious conversation about your products security with someone who is actually trained on that subject. LLMs are useless if you don't already know more about the thing than the LLM, or if you don't care too much about the outcome (internal tools etc.)

This has been the prevailing advice all along, and yet we have security vulnerabilities everywhere that LLMs are good at spotting and exploiting. I think we need more options on the menu.

You hire someone that knows security and that guy uses an LLM. Ignorant business guy or the research engineer genius guy won’t be able to do much with just an LLM.

You can easily see this if you are using LLMs in a field you are an expert in

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