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Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by bigbuppo »

Pay08 wrote: post #108
Aurornis wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve seen so many variations of this where a community starts adding more rules that are open to judgment. Removing the obvious rule breakers looks like an easy win at first. Then over time the list of rules grows. Small groups become good at navigating the rule making process and getting changes pushed through. Before you know it, small groups of highly invested people are wielding the rules and the rule making proc…

Not to mention what happens when these rules cease to be rules on purely technical matters. What if they make a rule against the site allowing hosting the code *of* AI agents for example?

Then you have your agent create you your own codeberg, with blackjack, and hookers.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by bigbuppo »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #53
squigz wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also like... this is how literally any community works? You "invest your free time" in it, then you do something that goes against the values of that community... yeah, of course that big bad "shadow group" (in other words, the admins/moderators) is going to do something.

The point is that the stated values of said group changed.

The values didn't change, they just made them clear.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by tcmart14 »

stock_toaster wrote: post #6

codefloe[1] also runs forgejo. [1]: https://codefloe.com/

My only complaint about their site is that it mentions a generous free tier, but I have no way to seeing what exactly that free tier is.

Edit: Found it, but it wasn't obvious the navigation path to it. Would be nice if "free tier" on their home page was a link where it was there and clear.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by mcv »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #122
miki123211 wrote: post #117

This is the problem with choosing platform for moral — instead of practical — reasons. Platforms that are known for making moral judgments will likely keep making moral judgments in the future. Eventually, they'll make a judgment that you heavily disagree with. This is why communities founded on ideology tend to shatter, while those founded on a shared goal tend to survive. Linus doesn't care whether you're a GPU exp…

Perfectly summarised. Also recently saw so many people moving from GitHub to Codeberg because of anti-US and sovereign European tech movement and I wonder now which platform they are going to move again

I think this would be a good time for another European alternative to present itself. Outside the US, but more pragmatic than Codeberg.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by drdexebtjl »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #44
singron wrote: post #41

Is there any evidence of division? Are all the vibe-coders going to some codeberg2? One of the main complaints is that the banned projects don't have human users proportionate to their activity, so if they all go to codeberg2, then that forge would just be full of projects nobody cares about. Are there any projects on codeberg that are getting banned and actually have significant human interest? If codeberg decided t…

Nobody has been banned yet, AFAIK. So nobody can answer your second paragraph question. But plenty are choosing to leave. The judgement you're talking about here ("banned projects don't have human users propostionate...") is going to require evidence? At this point the software community is absolutely full of these tools and people who use them. If the specific thing banned was projects like that, fine. But that's no…

> At this point the software community is absolutely full of these tools

That is self-evident.

> and people who use them.

This isn’t.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by dijit »

illiac786 wrote: post #123
miki123211 wrote: post #117

This is the problem with choosing platform for moral — instead of practical — reasons. Platforms that are known for making moral judgments will likely keep making moral judgments in the future. Eventually, they'll make a judgment that you heavily disagree with. This is why communities founded on ideology tend to shatter, while those founded on a shared goal tend to survive. Linus doesn't care whether you're a GPU exp…

You are saying this like pursuing profit above anything else is not a moral judgment one can heavily disagree with.

Pursuing profit is not a moral judgement.

It's at best neutral, and at worst considered to be immoral.

Nobody says "I need to make a billion dollars because of my morals".

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by aliasxneo »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #121
aliasxneo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did it get much attention? I don't know of a single person who finds value in LLM generated comments on social platforms. The fact that Codeberg is getting attention for this move is likely because it alienated a part of the community that was previously engaging, enough to generate constructive responses. I didn't see the same thing happening with this HN change.

> " Did it get much attention? 4229 points and 1716 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079

Interesting. Two things stand out to me:

1. dang specifically posted a comment saying the rule has been around for _years_ [1]

2. I browsed the top upvoted comments and they seem to almost universally lean towards this being a good thing.

That's about what I would of expected. Although the "being around for years" thing was news to me and doesn't really make the OP's argument a good comparison for Codeberg's case.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47341726

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by striking »

miki123211 wrote: post #117

This is the problem with choosing platform for moral — instead of practical — reasons. Platforms that are known for making moral judgments will likely keep making moral judgments in the future. Eventually, they'll make a judgment that you heavily disagree with. This is why communities founded on ideology tend to shatter, while those founded on a shared goal tend to survive. Linus doesn't care whether you're a GPU exp…

He does have some choice words for you if you're Russian, though:

> As to sending me a revert patch — please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be ‘supporting’ Russian aggression?

(from https://therecord.media/linus-torvalds-russian-linux-kernel-...)

I think this shows that there is a blurry line between moral and practical judgment, and that the type of judgment might not even matter in the way you think. Sure, this episode may have been started by OFAC sanctioning various Russian companies, but Linus is happy to invoke more personal moral terms; and ultimately whether it's practical or moral doesn't matter, a bunch of Russian folks found themselves without a commit bit seemingly at random and the same could happen to anyone regardless of a particular platform's or company's judgment.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by skybrian »

illiac786 wrote: post #123
miki123211 wrote: post #117

This is the problem with choosing platform for moral — instead of practical — reasons. Platforms that are known for making moral judgments will likely keep making moral judgments in the future. Eventually, they'll make a judgment that you heavily disagree with. This is why communities founded on ideology tend to shatter, while those founded on a shared goal tend to survive. Linus doesn't care whether you're a GPU exp…

You are saying this like pursuing profit above anything else is not a moral judgment one can heavily disagree with.

Is Linux really about "profit before all else?" That seems like a moral judgement that many would disagree with.
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