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What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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Makes me sad that all my post-work hacking on things has been by myself. As a musician his description sounds similar to playing an instrument by myself; fun but not as great as with a group of friends.

Same here.

Is there an app with traction that helps people like us find fellow hackers to collaborate with. If not, sounds like an idea right there. Want to help build it?

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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Interesting... For some reason I had always assumed that Bootstrap was associated more closely with Twitter because it had the word "twitter" in the name. Now I understand why some business are so concerned with preventing other websites and people from using their name. I'm not saying that Twitter should have demanded that these guys change the name of their framework to something else, but this is a good object les…

Sounds like "sponsored" would be a good word to describe the relationship

Or "endorsed".

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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Dear fat, This post comes off to me as cocky and untrue. First, the general tone of this seems very pompous to me. To me, it reads: "I know so much that even building the most popular project on github and possibly of any library on the web can't teach me anything new." It might have been a little more gracious perhaps to thank people for using and contributing to the project...? Also, you definitely learned somethin…

hm… sorry it came off that way. :( fwiw, the amount of technical things i've learned from working on bootstrap is not proportional to the amount of work i've put into this project… at all. But, i never expected it to be, and that's totally fine. Have I learned any technical things? lol sure, of course! Funnily, the accessibility thing you linked to wasn't really something I learned building bootstrap… the presentatio…

Personally I think you've made one of the most invaluable contributions to web development, and your article is very sincere and genuine, well done on taking the time to put together such a great project.

While other framework's exist, bootstrap is packaged fantastically well, and provides excellent documentation

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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What I want to know is... Why LESS and not SASS? Seems to me, TBS is the only thing keeping LESS alive. SASS/Compass seems to be the better choice? http://css-tricks.com/sass-vs-less/ (Logic and Loops are big ticket items).

Why vim and not emacs? Why OS X and not Debian? We all have the tools that we end up using, when we end up using them. When I first came across Bootstrap it was at a time when there was plenty of people using LESS as well as SASS, it's only as time has gone on that people have started using SASS more, but there's still plenty of people I know that use LESS as well.

There's plenty of SASS based forks now though, so the community uses the tools as it can.

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

right now it's under the Apache License v2 – but we're working to move it to MIT for 3.0.0 I think of the community as owning bootstrap at this point… maybe that's cheesy? Or naive… I also think twitter played a larger roll than just hardware. Mark and I were both deeply embedded into the twitter culture (with access to great resources and really smart engineers to bounce ideas off of) and i think bootstrap has a ver…

If you have no contributor agreements/licenses, how do you plan on moving it to MIT? From what I see, the best you have is: "By contributing your code, you agree to license your contribution under the terms of the APLv2: https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/blob/master/LICENSE (which isn't really that helpful) Speaking as an corporate IP/open source lawyer, doing this wrong can hurt you very badly in the long run.

At a guess, the "working to move it" sentence probably implies that they are trying to get those agreements retrospectively, or re-writing any code that was contributed where they can't. As I understand it, the majority of code was written by themselves, so it shouldn't be too much of a task. Openstreetmap similarly moved licenses recently, they gained agreements where they could and dumped or re-mapped data where they couldn't.

If they aren't planning to do this, then I don't know what the "working to move it" means as it would simply be a 5 minute job to changing the license text.

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people would imagine a project called " Twitter Bootstrap" that was developed by people "employed at twitter on twitter hardware" would be property of Twitter. Does Twitter own the copyright?

right now it's under the Apache License v2 – but we're working to move it to MIT for 3.0.0 I think of the community as owning bootstrap at this point… maybe that's cheesy? Or naive… I also think twitter played a larger roll than just hardware. Mark and I were both deeply embedded into the twitter culture (with access to great resources and really smart engineers to bounce ideas off of) and i think bootstrap has a ver…

  > right now it's under the Apache License v2 – but we're
  > working to move it to MIT for 3.0.0
What's the impetus for this? Losing patent protection and gaining strict GPL2 compatibility seems like a strange decision.

Re: What I Learned Building Twitter Bootstrap

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post #36

What I want to know is... Why LESS and not SASS? Seems to me, TBS is the only thing keeping LESS alive. SASS/Compass seems to be the better choice? http://css-tricks.com/sass-vs-less/ (Logic and Loops are big ticket items).

From whispers I've heard within the TB community, is that it may at some point jump from LESS to SASS. But right now its not a priority. Someone tell me if im wrong here.
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