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Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

aliasxneo wrote: post #51
kalleboo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News recently banned LLM-generated comments due to a vague vibe check of the community. Do you feel the same way about the slippery slope of Hacker News moderation?

Did it get much attention? I don't know of a single person who finds value in LLM generated comments on social platforms. The fact that Codeberg is getting attention for this move is likely because it alienated a part of the community that was previously engaging, enough to generate constructive responses. I didn't see the same thing happening with this HN change.

> "Did it get much attention?

4229 points and 1716 comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by sajithdilshan »

miki123211 wrote: post #117

This is the problem with choosing platform for moral — instead of practical — reasons. Platforms that are known for making moral judgments will likely keep making moral judgments in the future. Eventually, they'll make a judgment that you heavily disagree with. This is why communities founded on ideology tend to shatter, while those founded on a shared goal tend to survive. Linus doesn't care whether you're a GPU exp…

Perfectly summarised. Also recently saw so many people moving from GitHub to Codeberg because of anti-US and sovereign European tech movement and I wonder now which platform they are going to move again

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by illiac786 »

miki123211 wrote: post #117

This is the problem with choosing platform for moral — instead of practical — reasons. Platforms that are known for making moral judgments will likely keep making moral judgments in the future. Eventually, they'll make a judgment that you heavily disagree with. This is why communities founded on ideology tend to shatter, while those founded on a shared goal tend to survive. Linus doesn't care whether you're a GPU exp…

You are saying this like pursuing profit above anything else is not a moral judgment one can heavily disagree with.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by chasd00 »

ok123456 wrote: post #22

So are they going to have "AI" police this? Heuristics about check-in size and scope are still AI, albeit "classical AI."

on April 1 next year don't be surprised when lots of repositories come out with "surprise! i was AI all along". How are they ever going to know? Seems like a prompt like "remove all traces from this code that it was generated using AI" would one shot the whole repo and make it virtually impossible to justifiably claim it was vibecoded.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by skydhash »

saghm wrote: post #119
bastawhiz wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how would I know I'll be accepted tomorrow This question exists for any service. Unless you host things yourself, there's a baseline amount of trust you have to have in any service.

Yes, and the baseline amount of trust seems to be substantially reduced for Codeberg for a lot of people in the wake of this change relative to most of the other options. I don't even necessarily think the new policy is bad in a vacuum, but if the strongest argument for why you can trust a service is "well can you really trust anyone 100%?", it's hard not to be a little wary. Would you use a bank if their response to…

It does exists for any bank. Where I'm at, the assurance is given by the national bank, not the individual banks. Anything else is just probability and marketing.

In Codeberg case, what I would be looking at is the actual banning process, not "assurance" they won't ban me later. It's a Germany-based institution, if Germany applies a whole sanction to my country, I'm gone anyway.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by p2detar »

free_bip wrote: post #27
aliasxneo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on this precedence, if I'm accepted into the community today, how would I know I'll be accepted tomorrow? If you're literally just using Codeberg as a mirror, then sure, it doesn't really matter much. But like you said, that's not what they are building. They want people to invest in the community. So now, as an investor of my hard-earned free time, I'm faced with the question on whether all my investment can g…

You are effectively saying you do not trust the judgement of the community to accept you long term. Why is that? Is it because you believe there would be a new policy that would exclude your workflow? What would such a policy be? Do you really, reasonably believe it would be implemented "tomorrow"? Do you think adapting to such a policy would be unreasonable? Or is it because you don't trust the judgement of the peop…

> You are effectively saying you do not trust the judgement of the community to accept you long term. Why is that?

I think the blog post explained exactly that. To quote:

> The actual wording makes this more difficult. The terms prohibit projects that mostly consist of code written by generative AI tools. In an actively developed codebase, what does “mostly” mean, and who can still tell? I could not reliably assign authorship percentages to many of my own recent projects. The line is open to interpretation precisely where it needs to be enforceable.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by mft_ »

illiac786 wrote: post #123
miki123211 wrote: post #117

This is the problem with choosing platform for moral — instead of practical — reasons. Platforms that are known for making moral judgments will likely keep making moral judgments in the future. Eventually, they'll make a judgment that you heavily disagree with. This is why communities founded on ideology tend to shatter, while those founded on a shared goal tend to survive. Linus doesn't care whether you're a GPU exp…

You are saying this like pursuing profit above anything else is not a moral judgment one can heavily disagree with.

No; they aren’t making a judgement. They’re just describing a relationship between the nature of a platform and its likely future behaviour.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by s-daveb »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #122
miki123211 wrote: post #117

This is the problem with choosing platform for moral — instead of practical — reasons. Platforms that are known for making moral judgments will likely keep making moral judgments in the future. Eventually, they'll make a judgment that you heavily disagree with. This is why communities founded on ideology tend to shatter, while those founded on a shared goal tend to survive. Linus doesn't care whether you're a GPU exp…

Perfectly summarised. Also recently saw so many people moving from GitHub to Codeberg because of anti-US and sovereign European tech movement and I wonder now which platform they are going to move again

They need to self host if they want sovereignty. This thing about relying on an external service and demanding total privacy and control is irrational.

Re: Codeberg Divides

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Post by hingler36 »

This decision may also be related to infrastructure. Even if Codeberg wasn't against heavy LLM use for moral reasons, their limited infrastructure would have a hard time keeping up with the massive output that LLMs are capable of.
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