I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.
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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#112I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.
NVIDIA sells the tools. The more the better it is for them.
Microsoft and Meta are also-rans at this point. Their best hope of catching up is probably leveraging their infra and open models.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regardless of the motivations behind the paper, the fact is that they are right. It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens, and I hope it gets corrected soon. And besides, it seems to me like the ethical choice. Given how these models are, in some very real sense, mechanical plagiators, built on the generosity of creators past and present, some of them now in danger of being replaced by the mac…
> It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens There's nothing "open" about China. Google, meta, openai, etc all blocked. Go visit and see how it goes when you try to access your gmail or open facebook. Try to use chatgpt. Try to get citizenship and see how that goes. China blocks many western companies with their great firewall and force internal similar products. This is smart, China wants to pr…
Im guessing parent meant more open in this particular case, i.e open weight models vs closed cloud hosted. Obviously china is not an open country.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#114I posted earlier on reddit that at this point, the closed source lobby wanting to ban open weights is effectively outgunned (musk also publicly supported this).
The oddly reminds me of back in the day when SOPA had caused a similar stir (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act), and all HN was up in arms against it.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#115I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.
They are worried about OpenAI and Anthropic making their own processors and controlling the whole stack is my guess.
They really don't need to be very worried about that. Google, Microsoft, Amazon, et al have decades of experience in shipping custom hardware at scale, and it is not a simple field to pivot into
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#116I wonder why Apple stayed absent from signing this?
This would support the hypothesis that they are incentivized as compute providers and not simply because they're losing the frontier llm race
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#117I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.
The future will probably have most of all companies running local models, simply because the alternative would be essentially every company that uses LLMs ending up becoming completely dependent upon Anthropic et al. And that dependence would be milked to the point of absurdity once solidly established.
And as a more general point - more major competitors in a domain is very good for everybody except those competitors themselves, who would rather there be as few as possible.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#118I'm finding the list of signatories on this letter really interesting and somewhat confusing, looking purely through the lens of economic interest. It makes sense to see Meta, the startups, and the VC firms on this list. And it makes sense to see OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google all missing. Microsoft is somewhat unexpected to me. I don't think of them as having a focus on open weight models (no more than Google), and t…
Commoditization of the model layer is to Azure's benefit. It would help to avoid the model layer becoming a platform that commoditizes cloud into a pure bare metal business. It also redistributes 'consumer' surplus back to the end user via a lower effective price, which would conceivably increase demand for IaaS and/or PaaS which are complements.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm very confused by this comment, I don't know who you're referring to.
None of the people signed this have ever produced a frontier model at a given date (Which is to say its neither Google/OAI/Ant). The ones that sign are meta, musk (who is in the shovel selling business as well), hugging face obviously and few others Note: Just pointing out the comment intent and nothing else
Musk didn’t sign it.
nVidia did and they released good models – same with Meta, Microsoft, IBM, Mistral – all are signatories.
Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models
#120This is all a moot point because there's no way you can copyright a model because you can just randomly perturb weights and still be fine.
You can randomly shift every pixel in a movie by +/-1, doesn't make the original not copyrightable.