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JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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At this point it would be better to migrate to a new MacBook. There has been a lot performance and efficiency improvements with M1+.

Not if the hardware still works and still does the job.

My Macbook Air 2021 M1 flies circles around my 2014 MBP. I got a new battery for the 2014 but the rubber bezel is disintegrating. I'm thinking of turning the 2014 into a TV driver but that's about it.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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What e-waste would you be referring to?

I've got a notification stating that in the next update the device (a working scanner) will stop being supported, probably because of the lack of ARM driver.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Not if the hardware still works and still does the job.

My Macbook Air 2021 M1 flies circles around my 2014 MBP. I got a new battery for the 2014 but the rubber bezel is disintegrating. I'm thinking of turning the 2014 into a TV driver but that's about it.

Seems to be the idea to me: don't use a no longer supported +10yo laptop as a daily driver, but convert it to something useful for free.

Being a laptop, the power draw is almost negligible and it doesn't take much space.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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At this point it would be better to migrate to a new MacBook. There has been a lot performance and efficiency improvements with M1+.

Not if the hardware still works and still does the job.

People want computers to take on new jobs and the hardware is a limiting factor on that. And even if it can take on a job, that doesn't mean it does it as well as a newer machine.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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What I wanted to say that I don't like exactly that. The hardware is fine, but software is not.

I feel like Apple got a lot of devs who would otherwise be Linux users on board circa 2005 due to solid-feeling laptop hardware with drivers and power management that just worked. That pattern became self-propagating as startups scaled up, bought a lot of Macs and hired Mac IT people. But Linux has gotten better in that time period, too. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as refined out of the box. But Linux is ahead in the a…

LLMs have completely changed how I run Linux. I just got a brand new Lenovo and getting the fingerprint sensor PAM configuration going for sudo was a breeze. I was having issues with my wifi not switching APs properly on my mesh and debugging and implementing a stable permanent fix took the same amount of time as what would previously have been just the start of me googling to the problem. And now that it's done the experience is really nice. An absolute dream even.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Not if the hardware still works and still does the job.

People want computers to take on new jobs and the hardware is a limiting factor on that. And even if it can take on a job, that doesn't mean it does it as well as a newer machine.

Depends. I'm surrounded by people who just need light web browsing and emails. They don't really like computers, they want to use them only when absolutely necessary. A Mac from 2012 with a 256-512 GiB SSD and 8 GiB of RAM is plenty.

Hell, last week I was on holidays without my computer, and I have borrowed such a machine. The battery has been replaced so it still has a long battery time. It was as fast as I could hope (and I'm quite sensitive to this stuff!), the only thing slowing me down was the keyboard layout, the window management of the OS, and the touchpad gestures not responding as well as what I have on Linux (notably swipe for back in Firefox, I was quite surprised).

This thing can't be updated anymore though and even Firefox gave up, so I advised switching to Linux to keep things safe.

Aside from the OS, this thing does 100% the job it needs to do. Recent hardware won't do better because that's not the limiting factor.

Even if money is not an issue, replacing hardware has environmental costs, and that's in this spirit that I answered no, not necessarily better.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Oh, how times have changed. Apple CEO Steve Jobs announced at May's Worldwide Developer Conference in San Jose, Calif., Mac OS X will come with a full implementation of Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Java 2, Standard Edition. It will be the only high-volume OS that does so Oracle screwed themselves lately, the licensing push basically started IT departments with exterminating Java and anything related to it.

You may have misread: Java will keep supporting ARM macOS, they're just deprecating Intel macOS. Also this is a decision taken by the JVM team, not Apple; the latter simply deprecated their Intel platform first.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Firefox reports correctly.

Not on macOS at least, the Firefox user agent on my uptodate M1 MBP says that I'm on "Intel Mac OS X 10.15". PS: and on my Win11 machine Firefox says that I'm on 'Windows NT 10.0', which AFAIK is the same NT version that was also reported on Win10.

And on Linux it says you're on "X11" even if you're a proud Wayland session user!

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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This keeps getting posted and is not true. Rosetta is still present and working. It throws a deprecation warning notice but otherwise runs fine. It's macOS 28 that will no longer run x86_64 apps, although games are exempt. Rosetta is basically going game only at that point. They haven't announced how long it will keep working in this capacity.

Have they announced how they’re going to make it game only? A whitelist based on a hash of the executable? That seems cumbersome.

The macOS 27 release notes explain how to activate this mode. `game-test-tool`
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