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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

whateverboat wrote: post #198
adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

I think you are wrong. A better way is to have a free tier and charge for usage.

Codeberg is a registered non-profit charity whose purpose is to provide free services for free software projects. You can make a different site that works the way you want it to.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

rpdillon wrote: post #349
adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

Yeah, the natural solution here is to only offer some amount of hosting for free and then charge for larger amounts of code to host. Those quotas are something that is empirical and observable and can be managed. But instead, they're implementing a rule that is unenforceable because you can't actually validate whether or not the majority of the project was written by an LLM. They just chose a suboptimal path and piss…

Terms of use are a statement of intent, not an if-else ladder to be executed by a computer.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

boramalper wrote: post #183
adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

> It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using up disproportionately huge hosting resources to handle the unnaturally large amounts of resources they can churn out with these tools. Then instead of addressing the excessive resource usage problem indirectly via banning AI-assisted apps, they could've addressed it…

Having a hard quota means each spammer will fill up the quota, then get some error they don't know how to fix and stop. This means the quota has to be low.

Just saying "no spam" means you don't have to waste a single byte on spam and everyone else can have a higher quota.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by animesh »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #180
animesh wrote: post #144

Just noticed that there is a filter on repositories "Collaborative". Is this indication that we will not be allowed (immediately or eventually) to store either public or private repositories if we are not collaborating with others?

Not really. See https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#how-about-pri...

Sorry, but I do not understand. Can I host a repo publicly at least while it is still in initial development stages? For example, I have two repos that have been in development for more than 2 years. I intend to show case them and continue them as open source, but I will probably be the only user for a while. These two predate AI/LLM advancements, and I am pretty anti-AI for non-professional use cases. As someone put it, it is single-user open source repo with low or zero users, and have low commits, and are well below any storage limits.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

lelanthran wrote: post #391
chasd00 wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that mean codeberg has just guaranteed its own demise?

> Does that mean codeberg has just guaranteed its own demise? In industry, certainly. The free-because-it's-a-hobby crowd will still be well served by Codeberg. Much like how you can get very cheap mass-manufactured furniture, but some people still build their own tables and chairs.

The analogy doesn't work so well for software because it's freely replicable

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by duxup »

It’s interesting how many revolutions and even small efforts surrounding the concept of freedom very quickly go from “freedom” to “no actually I mean freedom for things I like”.

It’s a constant pattern.

Principles are hard I guess.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

nozzlegear wrote: post #82
CodesInChaos wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think German non profit organizations are required by law to have a certain level of governance structure.

Ah, interesting! I didn't realize they were German, and didn't realize it's a non-profit as well. I thought it was just an open source project and that was that. That would explain the bureaucracy.

The open source project is Forgejo. You can host is yourself with any policies you want.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #294

The problem I see with the change in their rules is that they have created an unenforceable or worse arbitrarily enforced rule. There is no sure way to identify LLM code. I could write a project by hand with all the GPT "mannerisms" for fun. I could sign my commits with "Co-Authored-By: Claude" because my cat's name is Claude and I find it funny. Now this rule will either be never applied or when it's applied it will…

Do the other rules bother you the same way? Like the one about racial discrimination? I mean, there's no surefire way to identify racial discrimination.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

JD557 wrote: post #318
debugnik wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just did, in fact I vaguely remembered it from back then, and after reading the announcement blog post and the quote, I still think that anyone who expected Codeberg to replace their private use of GitHub was fantasizing. They already stated their mission is to be a community-led forge for FOSS . Maybe we could blame them for having lowered their ambitions around "lesser" FOSS, but then again the economics are chan…

Even looking at the comments from that thread and the Codeberg page at that time in archive.org, I don't really see much that points to it as a proper GitHub alternative, other than the editorialized (I think) post title. Which I think might be the cause of confusion here. I suspect that there was never an official statement (or intention) of Codeberg being a full GitHub replacement, but since a lot of people recomme…

What even is a "GitHub alternative"? By starting the discussion from an existing product instead of one's actual needs, one has already lost.
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