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Re: The Ever-Receding Pocket

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Post by KaiserPro »

lostmsu wrote: post #9
KaiserPro wrote: post #4

At a previous job there was a museum/display to the previous era of how they produced the newspaper. It has the last master plate, and some photos of how it all looked on the last day. There is a photo of a technician sweeping up on presumably the last day before the plant was shut down. He looked distraught Most of those people retired. The young ones didn't get as gooder jobs, because the system they had mastered w…

It's rich to call feudalist creators of AI heartless when AI is the first child of humanity and they are the ones advocating for raising it, and you are the one saying no-no, let's stop it, it's taking my job away.

> the first child of humanity

Thats great but how are we supposed to clothe, feed, shelter and provide for the children we already have?

Its not like the amassed wealth they have is going to be shared, is it?

hence the feudal but. We must pay rent or we are out on our arses. you need health care? tough luck kid, cut back on the lattes.

Re: The Ever-Receding Pocket

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Post by toss1 »

mpalmer wrote: post #8

It feels so surreal watching all these things. People are still going to work. People are still planning vacations. And you know what. Maybe they are right and I am wrong. Maybe in their lifetimes, they won’t see any meaningful changes. In the face of great impending change, why would people living their lives be "wrong"? I don't get this piece.

It seems he is describing normalcy bias. This is the bias where people's brains try to fit new data into existing normal frameworks

An all-too-frequent real-life example is "that smoke is just part of the show, wow, that's impressive!", and people continue enjoying their dinner and show. Then, reality breaks through, everyone panics, and many die both from both stampede and fire.

If people had, instead of continuing to live their lives and enjoy dinner as if nothing were happening, calmly gotten up and left in time, obviously everything would have been better.

This AI storm could be the same phenomena, just on a larger time scale. If people are enjoying their lives with awareness this is the last time they'll get to enjoy before a collapse, that is one thing.

If people are more sticking their heads in the sand and maintaining their normalcy bias, that is another. It seems this last bit is the point of the article?

Re: The Ever-Receding Pocket

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Post by mpalmer »

toss1 wrote: post #12
mpalmer wrote: post #8

It feels so surreal watching all these things. People are still going to work. People are still planning vacations. And you know what. Maybe they are right and I am wrong. Maybe in their lifetimes, they won’t see any meaningful changes. In the face of great impending change, why would people living their lives be "wrong"? I don't get this piece.

It seems he is describing normalcy bias. This is the bias where people's brains try to fit new data into existing normal frameworks An all-too-frequent real-life example is "that smoke is just part of the show, wow, that's impressive!", and people continue enjoying their dinner and show. Then, reality breaks through, everyone panics, and many die both from both stampede and fire. If people had, instead of continuing…

Yes, I understand normalcy bias.

But who's talking about a collapse? Not OP. They say they are in an existential crisis, but not what it is, other than a vague "machines are getting smarter". They never describe what it is they're supposedly right or wrong about.

Re: The Ever-Receding Pocket

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Post by lardosaurusrex »

mpalmer wrote: post #7
lardosaurusrex wrote: post #3

i am so desperate for people to properly title articles about ai because as it stands i feel i am quite literally being clickbaited by them i always think "oh boy a brief reprieve from the ai hellscape discourse" only to find myself stepping on the ai-enabled rake like I'm sideshow bob. At this point I have to operate under the assumption that if the title of an article or blogpost isn't 100% clear its likely just ye…

Titling articles isn't about warning you.

Sentence uttered by person who apparently never had their English/whatever language teacher y'know...

teach you anything.

I very much remember being taught how to write titles for articles and papers -- both news and research -- through Grades 6-10 and so the idea of someone not having been taught this is actually a little odd to hear.

Nonetheless while I disagree with you I won't attempt to argue or debate you on this.

Re: The Ever-Receding Pocket

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Post by toss1 »

mpalmer wrote: post #13
toss1 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems he is describing normalcy bias. This is the bias where people's brains try to fit new data into existing normal frameworks An all-too-frequent real-life example is "that smoke is just part of the show, wow, that's impressive!", and people continue enjoying their dinner and show. Then, reality breaks through, everyone panics, and many die both from both stampede and fire. If people had, instead of continuing…

Yes, I understand normalcy bias. But who's talking about a collapse? Not OP. They say they are in an existential crisis, but not what it is, other than a vague "machines are getting smarter". They never describe what it is they're supposedly right or wrong about.

Ah, yes, he does seem to belabor the existential crisis more than that cause.

I think that is the part where he talks about "do I still have economic value?", and more generally, is everyone in this ever-receding pocket where they will have no economic value.

Re: The Ever-Receding Pocket

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Post by mpalmer »

lardosaurusrex wrote: post #14
mpalmer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Titling articles isn't about warning you.

Sentence uttered by person who apparently never had their English/whatever language teacher y'know... teach you anything. I very much remember being taught how to write titles for articles and papers -- both news and research -- through Grades 6-10 and so the idea of someone not having been taught this is actually a little odd to hear. Nonetheless while I disagree with you I won't attempt to argue or debate you on th…

You should apply that big learn-y mind of yours to the policy around commenting. Don't be an asshole.

Re: The Ever-Receding Pocket

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Post by lardosaurusrex »

mpalmer wrote: post #16
lardosaurusrex wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sentence uttered by person who apparently never had their English/whatever language teacher y'know... teach you anything. I very much remember being taught how to write titles for articles and papers -- both news and research -- through Grades 6-10 and so the idea of someone not having been taught this is actually a little odd to hear. Nonetheless while I disagree with you I won't attempt to argue or debate you on th…

You should apply that big learn-y mind of yours to the policy around commenting. Don't be an asshole.

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