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Launching Health in ChatGPT to US Users

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Re: Launching Health in ChatGPT to US Users

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Post by afavour »

BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #9
skilled wrote: post #8

I think doctors are going to lose their minds or at the very least get extremely agitated/frustrated as patients increasingly use AI tools to do self-research for symptoms and diagnosis. And I know this because I am guilty of this myself and recently had a dentist tell me to not do that. And this applies to so many health workers, your GP as well as your physical therapist, etc. Recently I had Claude analyze an MRI o…

I know of someone who had a red bump on their arm and asked ChatGPT if that was a problem and if they should see a doctor. It said no so they left it. Turns out it was a tick and they now have lyme disease.

I have a friend who uploaded a photo of a mark on their back to Claude, which stated it was a cut that was healing. Went to the doctor, it was skin cancer.

That said, Claude did say “I’m not a doctor, if in doubt make sure you see one”. So, that’s good… but then, what’s the point in using it?

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Post by matheusmoreira »

skilled wrote: post #8

I think doctors are going to lose their minds or at the very least get extremely agitated/frustrated as patients increasingly use AI tools to do self-research for symptoms and diagnosis. And I know this because I am guilty of this myself and recently had a dentist tell me to not do that. And this applies to so many health workers, your GP as well as your physical therapist, etc. Recently I had Claude analyze an MRI o…

I like it when patients research things. Consult is more engaging for me when people care about and try to understand stuff.

It's hard for patients to interpret medical research and evidence though... ChatGPT recommended treatment for some of my family members based on studies with 60 patients. It wasn't exactly established medical practice.

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Post by cloakandswagger »

skilled wrote: post #8

I think doctors are going to lose their minds or at the very least get extremely agitated/frustrated as patients increasingly use AI tools to do self-research for symptoms and diagnosis. And I know this because I am guilty of this myself and recently had a dentist tell me to not do that. And this applies to so many health workers, your GP as well as your physical therapist, etc. Recently I had Claude analyze an MRI o…

It's way better than the Google MD problem that previously existed.

I had Claude analyze a blood panel and provide potential diagnoses, medications, dosing and contraindications for a fairly esoteric condition. It gave me the questions to ask a doctor (being completely forthright that I'm yet another layman regurgitating AI output) who agreed with the approach and even admitted that he hadn't seen a case study it referenced but that he wish he knew about sooner.

Will doctors still be assmad that years of their study is now democratized? Probably. I am (or was) a software engineer, welcome to the club.

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Post by skilled »

energy123 wrote: post #10
skilled wrote: post #8

I think doctors are going to lose their minds or at the very least get extremely agitated/frustrated as patients increasingly use AI tools to do self-research for symptoms and diagnosis. And I know this because I am guilty of this myself and recently had a dentist tell me to not do that. And this applies to so many health workers, your GP as well as your physical therapist, etc. Recently I had Claude analyze an MRI o…

Radiology is probably an edge case, due to needing the right inductive bias and training data that general purpose multimodal language models may lack. At least until someone creates RadiologyBench and provides an incentive to the labs to make that part of their data pipeline. I have witnessed a non-radiology case (a STD on the face) where the LLM got it right and the doctor didn't (he said it was diabetes related).…

I have read that there is private software for radiologists that has better training data, but I can’t comment on it myself.

Maybe someone who has used it can give some feedback.

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Post by afavour »

le-mark wrote: post #7

The American Medical Association and health insurance industries can all fuck off. The healthcare situation in the US is so absurd and Kafka-esque I welcome LLMs in medicine. I haven’t seen a MD in years, I’ve only seen nurse practitioners and physician assistants. Add to that how insurance will randomly deny tests, procedures and treatments, I have very little use for the current medical establishment.

> I have very little use for the current medical establishment.

What do you think the LLMs are trained on?

I agree the current state of US healthcare is a mess. But that doesn’t mean anything is better. The current state of LLMs are so agreeable I worry what they’ll suggest to users who provide even the slightest pushback.

“Are you sure I need this test?”

“You’re right to question that. It’s unlikely to surface anything you don’t already know”

…while a chronic condition develops under the surface

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

le-mark wrote: post #7

The American Medical Association and health insurance industries can all fuck off. The healthcare situation in the US is so absurd and Kafka-esque I welcome LLMs in medicine. I haven’t seen a MD in years, I’ve only seen nurse practitioners and physician assistants. Add to that how insurance will randomly deny tests, procedures and treatments, I have very little use for the current medical establishment.

Do you have a health insurance?

Re: Launching Health in ChatGPT to US Users

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Post by energy123 »

Wololooo wrote: post #4

This is a terrible idea on any way shape or form you can imagine. Even if they say they won't, they will, and there is no telling what they would do with the data itself...

It's a boon for low income people in low income countries. Some random facts:

- They avoid doctors because it's expensive and they don't want to burden their families.

- There aren't enough doctors, regardless of social spending.

- There isn't enough social spending.

Even if this only increases bandwidth of existing doctors, or allows lesser-trained nurses to cosplay as a doctor during triage to increase bandwidth, it's a great thing.

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Post by f6v »

skilled wrote: post #8

I think doctors are going to lose their minds or at the very least get extremely agitated/frustrated as patients increasingly use AI tools to do self-research for symptoms and diagnosis. And I know this because I am guilty of this myself and recently had a dentist tell me to not do that. And this applies to so many health workers, your GP as well as your physical therapist, etc. Recently I had Claude analyze an MRI o…

It's not a problem on it's on, it's a symptom of a systemic issue. Access to healthcare can be very limited even in developed countries. Like, you need to sometimes wait half a year to get a specialist appointment in Europe (unless you can afford private healthcare). In this case, people will be using AI to get faster answers.

Re: Launching Health in ChatGPT to US Users

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Post by AyanamiKaine »

skilled wrote: post #8

I think doctors are going to lose their minds or at the very least get extremely agitated/frustrated as patients increasingly use AI tools to do self-research for symptoms and diagnosis. And I know this because I am guilty of this myself and recently had a dentist tell me to not do that. And this applies to so many health workers, your GP as well as your physical therapist, etc. Recently I had Claude analyze an MRI o…

Its already happening, I am not a doctor but work with them closely. One patient used ChatGPT for his problems because he waited so long for an appointment. He was a bit neurotic and talked the whole time how one doesnt need a doctor anymore as ChatGPT is already good enough.

The real main problem is that you need to wait to get help, may it be a therapist or an eye doctor. But ChatGPT is instant.

This part worries me the most.

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