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Re: Police removed prominent scientists from American Diabetes Association meeting

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Post by dash2 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #30
dash2 wrote: post #24

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> In places with universal healthcare, you go to the doctor NHS experience: you might have to wait two weeks to see the doctor, and it will be a ten minute appointment. (Which in this case might be fine.) If you can use a nurse things tend to be much easier.

For a checkup? Or if you are sick?

I've had a checkup with the NHS once or maybe twice in my life, and it was not with a doctor. (I'm not saying that it should be, maybe a nurse and a blood pressure check is all you need?)

Re: Police removed prominent scientists from American Diabetes Association meeting

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Post by roryirvine »

HWR_14 wrote: post #30
dash2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In places with universal healthcare, you go to the doctor NHS experience: you might have to wait two weeks to see the doctor, and it will be a ten minute appointment. (Which in this case might be fine.) If you can use a nurse things tend to be much easier.

For a checkup? Or if you are sick?

The NHS relies on heavy triaging - so, for primary care, emergency cases will be seen immediately (either at a hospital or at the nearest GP surgery with an available slot), urgent will be seen same day (at your usual GP surgery), and non-urgent medical problems (eg. back pain that isn't getting worse) might take 2-3 days.

But everything else (eg. discussing blood test results, medication reviews, mental health issues) will get dumped into the "routine" appointment bucket and, yes, will often take 1-2 weeks.

You do hear occasional horror stories about the triage process, but my experience has been pretty reasonable. For example, I lost my voice last year but had no other symptoms - so I expected to have to wait a few days to be seen. But I was treated as an urgent case since it affected my ability to work, and got an appointment that afternoon.

Re: Police removed prominent scientists from American Diabetes Association meeting

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Post by m4xp »

inigyou wrote: post #7
hellisothers wrote: post #6

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Why do you think universal healthcare will make it easier to get the drugs you need? I’d imagine the opposite with additional bureaucracy.

Presumably by removing the existing bureaucracy which is much worse than the new bureaucracy.

It would be one more layer of bureaucracy, I can tell this as an Italian, if you have a serious emergency you are better off paying out of pocket for a private clinic.

And this is for every aspect of society, I feel like all this burocracy is just made for people that liv e off the state, I get home at 6pm, offices are not even open, I have to take half a day off work to stand in a line every time...

Re: Police removed prominent scientists from American Diabetes Association meeting

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Post by xienze »

seanhunter wrote: post #23
hellisothers wrote: post #6

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Why do you think universal healthcare will make it easier to get the drugs you need? I’d imagine the opposite with additional bureaucracy.

It really is easier, and you can see how this works in any number of countries with universal healthcare. I don’t have diabetes but do have chronic health issues that need constant treatment. Here in the UK: 1. I can reorder prescriptions on the NHS app when I’m running out. They get delivered to my preferred pharmacy or if I was away from home I can specify a local pharmacy. The prescription will be delivered there.…

> I can reorder prescriptions on the NHS app when I’m running out. They get delivered to my preferred pharmacy or if I was away from home I can specify a local pharmacy. The prescription will be delivered there.

We have that too. But that doesn't address the person's main complaint, that they have to consult with a doctor in the first place to get that prescription.

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Post by gumby »

hellisothers wrote: post #6
FigurativeVoid wrote: post #5

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Yeah. I have a running joke with my Endo. “A1c is good. Charts are good. No changes.” “And that’ll be 700 dollars?” “Yup. See you soon.” Of course it doesn’t actually cost that much (copay wise at least), but the point stands. I manage my disease super well. I don’t need the middle men. I’m becoming much more radical on universal healthcare the longer I’m on my own.

Why do you think universal healthcare will make it easier to get the drugs you need? I’d imagine the opposite with additional bureaucracy.

Having lived in France, Germany, and Australia I can report that there’s a lot less bureaucracy in those systems than in the US system. Like telecom, the participants in the medical system put up tollbooths because they can.

Re: Police removed prominent scientists from American Diabetes Association meeting

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Post by sierra1011 »

xienze wrote: post #34
seanhunter wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is easier, and you can see how this works in any number of countries with universal healthcare. I don’t have diabetes but do have chronic health issues that need constant treatment. Here in the UK: 1. I can reorder prescriptions on the NHS app when I’m running out. They get delivered to my preferred pharmacy or if I was away from home I can specify a local pharmacy. The prescription will be delivered there.…

> I can reorder prescriptions on the NHS app when I’m running out. They get delivered to my preferred pharmacy or if I was away from home I can specify a local pharmacy. The prescription will be delivered there. We have that too. But that doesn't address the person's main complaint, that they have to consult with a doctor in the first place to get that prescription.

That only really applies to the first time it's issued. Repeat prescriptions can be issued with the NHS app. I've requested dosage changes on multiple occasions and they review it with the request and sign it off.

Any long term condition like diabetes isn't the admin overhead you're making it out to be.

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Post by gorbachev »

xienze wrote: post #34
seanhunter wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is easier, and you can see how this works in any number of countries with universal healthcare. I don’t have diabetes but do have chronic health issues that need constant treatment. Here in the UK: 1. I can reorder prescriptions on the NHS app when I’m running out. They get delivered to my preferred pharmacy or if I was away from home I can specify a local pharmacy. The prescription will be delivered there.…

> I can reorder prescriptions on the NHS app when I’m running out. They get delivered to my preferred pharmacy or if I was away from home I can specify a local pharmacy. The prescription will be delivered there. We have that too. But that doesn't address the person's main complaint, that they have to consult with a doctor in the first place to get that prescription.

In the UK diabetes patients get automatically invited to followup appointments by the GP and eye screening tests every months, where n depends on the severity of your condition. Adjustments to medication will happen at those appointments.

Re: Police removed prominent scientists from American Diabetes Association meeting

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Post by seanhunter »

sierra1011 wrote: post #36
xienze wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can reorder prescriptions on the NHS app when I’m running out. They get delivered to my preferred pharmacy or if I was away from home I can specify a local pharmacy. The prescription will be delivered there. We have that too. But that doesn't address the person's main complaint, that they have to consult with a doctor in the first place to get that prescription.

That only really applies to the first time it's issued. Repeat prescriptions can be issued with the NHS app. I've requested dosage changes on multiple occasions and they review it with the request and sign it off. Any long term condition like diabetes isn't the admin overhead you're making it out to be.

Yeah exactly. Can't speak for diabetes but in the UK there is certainly zero admin overhead for me for my long-term health condition. I'd be very surprised if diabetes is different.

Every now and again I get scheduled for a blood test or a consultation to review my meds. The consultation sometimes happens by phone if mutually convenient and I don't need to actually be tested there and then etc. Repeat prescriptions just get issued and if there is any problem I can send a message on the app.

Re: Police removed prominent scientists from American Diabetes Association meeting

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Post by FigurativeVoid »

m463 wrote: post #18
FigurativeVoid wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I have a running joke with my Endo. “A1c is good. Charts are good. No changes.” “And that’ll be 700 dollars?” “Yup. See you soon.” Of course it doesn’t actually cost that much (copay wise at least), but the point stands. I manage my disease super well. I don’t need the middle men. I’m becoming much more radical on universal healthcare the longer I’m on my own.

> I manage my disease super well. "If it tastes good, spit it out." - Jack LaLanne

I find that movement has been key for me. More walking, more lifting, more of anything.

Getting a gcm gave me much better data around the impact of movement.

Re: Police removed prominent scientists from American Diabetes Association meeting

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Post by inigyou »

m4xp wrote: post #33
inigyou wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably by removing the existing bureaucracy which is much worse than the new bureaucracy.

It would be one more layer of bureaucracy, I can tell this as an Italian, if you have a serious emergency you are better off paying out of pocket for a private clinic. And this is for every aspect of society, I feel like all this burocracy is just made for people that liv e off the state, I get home at 6pm, offices are not even open, I have to take half a day off work to stand in a line every time...

Then let's make the state better
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