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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Zambyte »

layer8 wrote: post #265
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

What are these plentiful alternatives? SourceHut also comes with “personal baggage”.

Just host your own git server, it's an afternoon project. Use other forges as mirrors.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Orygin »

hellcow wrote: post #126
mcv wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird thing is: I agree with both of you. Of course they can decide what to host and what not. And it's sad if that excludes me. But insulting small projects like that was uncalled-for.

Did we read the same article? > To us, it seems ridiculous to see projects with a single developer and virtually no users consuming as much or even more resources than some of the largest community projects on Codeberg, which operate frugal with CI/CD and storage resources. We do not believe it is reasonable for Codeberg to invest our precious donation money into hosting of large ghost projects. This seems like a sta…

Had they limited CI/CD depending on the project "community" (whatever that means), that would be a reasonable take. Instead they ban something tangential to the discussion.

I can publish human slop and use loads of their resources without any LLM use.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by sscaryterry »

chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

Well said. This is one of the most concise and from my point of view accurate accounts of what is happening right now.

I'm personally sick of all the politics in OSS development, as such, I no longer actively contribute.

Different strokes for different blokes/whatever floats your boat. I don't care, do as you please.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by BadBadJellyBean »

The problem I see with the change in their rules is that they have created an unenforceable or worse arbitrarily enforced rule.

There is no sure way to identify LLM code. I could write a project by hand with all the GPT "mannerisms" for fun. I could sign my commits with "Co-Authored-By: Claude" because my cat's name is Claude and I find it funny.

Now this rule will either be never applied or when it's applied it will be an arbitrary decision made with mostly inconclusive "evidence". This is not a good way to write rules.

Write rules based on merit. Excessive data usage or licensing problems might come to mind. These things are measurable. Otherwise it's really just posturing.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by squigz »

throwayay4929 wrote: post #276
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

Imaging where the world would be if Firefox, when it came out, went deep on the Iraq war? Or if RMS got involved in, I don't know, the Lewinsky affair in the 1990s, and made it a core part of the FSF? We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6. "The personal is political" is a truly toxic idea that's been corroding nice things since it's inception.

Using RMS as an example of "how to not be political" is uh... interesting.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by mrngld »

ngcazz wrote: post #287
throwayay4929 wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imaging where the world would be if Firefox, when it came out, went deep on the Iraq war? Or if RMS got involved in, I don't know, the Lewinsky affair in the 1990s, and made it a core part of the FSF? We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6. "The personal is political" is a truly toxic idea that's been corroding nice things since it's inception.

"nice things" you mean upholding the harm of the status quo by not criticizing it

But do people look at installing a formulae in brew and wonder "what's their position on Uyghur oppression in Western China?" Like, wow, jxl is pretty neat, but they don't have a position on Palestine so I don't know if I should leverage the JPEG XL format?

Insanity. IMO. Keep that stuff at home.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by astrobe_ »

Codeberg already had relatively strong opinions before that; their Terms of Use also says:

"the right to use the content for any purpose, including both commercial and non-commercial purposes" "Note, however, that the Creative Commons licences with Non-Commercial (NC) or No Derivatives (ND) restrictions are not licences for free cultural works and thus do not fulfil the licensing requirement"

So yes, "the deciding factor stops being whether the code is legal, or functional, or useful, and becomes whether it aligns with a position the platform has taken", nothing really new actually.

IMHO, deciding to migrate because of a disagreement that doesn't have practical consequences on the author is a bit of an overreaction. It is not, by the way, a full ban on LLM, as the clause says mostly LLM-generated, a term that has been criticized for its vagueness in other places, but that does leaves some room for thoughtful use.

But why stop using a service we are satisfied with because of virtual future other decisions that might or might not affect us? It's like if people left their country before the candidate for president they fear, is even elected.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by [deleted] »

nozzlegear wrote: post #82
CodesInChaos wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think German non profit organizations are required by law to have a certain level of governance structure.

Ah, interesting! I didn't realize they were German, and didn't realize it's a non-profit as well. I thought it was just an open source project and that was that. That would explain the bureaucracy.

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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by grumbel »

layer8 wrote: post #265
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

What are these plentiful alternatives? SourceHut also comes with “personal baggage”.

There is Radicle for completely distributed hosting.
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