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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by p2detar »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #72

I'm still undecided if I want to self host either gitea or forgejo. Can someone who used both or is particularly experienced with one of them tell me which project to settle with? Most comparisons I found were all written with someone who didn't seem all that ideologically neutral on the matter. To my understanding forgejo (the gitea fork) is run by the people behind Codeberg whereas Codeberg is running a customised…

If your goal is to just store your repos, even Gogs will do. I self-host Forgejo on sqlite and it‘s been great thusfar. I do not yet use runners, so can‘t say much about that. The Docker registry they offer is a bit awkward to use but better than nothing. My instance is only intranet visible, so I only push to http:// remotes. I have my repos docker volume backed up automatically, so I feel like I got a pretty solid setup right now.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by 0rzech »

mcv wrote: post #266
0rzech wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No idea where yet; I don't want to go to Github, and I believe there were similar concerns about Gitlab, so I don't know where to go yet. Perhaps https://radicle.dev or https://tangled.org would be fine for you?

Is that a code repository built on top of the protocol underneath bluesky? Fascinating idea.

Radicle uses its own P2P protocol - Gossip. Indeed, Tangled uses the same protocol as Bluesky - ATProto. https://forgefed.org, on the other hand, is based on the ActivityPub protocol, like Mastodon, PeerTube and Pixelfed.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by addedGone »

ethin wrote: post #141
addedGone wrote: post #65

Codeberg is also not being considered anymore since they are censoring legitimate projects, crazy honestly, people would have thought that they would be neutral but it's the opposite of neutral, it's way worse than Corporations. Also, in 1 year tops, no dev will manually code anymore, forcing users to code manually is absurd.

This is a pretty great strawman of what their actual terms of service and blog post says. You might want to read both quite thoroughly.

It isn't, I'm literally not allowed to host a project on it, knowing obviously it's 100% "LLM-made" nowadays, no modern softwares can be hosted on it, Bun can't be hosted on it (100% "AI" now), you don't find it ridiculous? The world is changing, they don't want to acknowledge it.

The cryptocurrency related projects ban is also insane knowing how much it has contributed to having greater crypto librairies, including all the newer zK stuff.

The entire planet is migrating towards AI coding, and Codeberg is going the opposite way, it's a sure way to die, let's speak about it in 2028 where I'm ready to bet that less than 0.1% of all software dev will be manually editing files.

To me, it seems that they can't manage their infrastructure properly cost wise and decide instead to punish the users for it.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by [deleted] »

throwayay4929 wrote: post #276
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

Imaging where the world would be if Firefox, when it came out, went deep on the Iraq war? Or if RMS got involved in, I don't know, the Lewinsky affair in the 1990s, and made it a core part of the FSF? We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6. "The personal is political" is a truly toxic idea that's been corroding nice things since it's inception.

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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Hendrikto »

adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

If you can’t keep up with the load, say that. Limit new signups and/or implement rate limiting, and ideally scale up if you can.

DO NOT try to spin that into taking some form of moral high ground. DO NOT make yourself the arbiter of what is and is not considered a worthwhile project. That is not neutral. That is not free.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by chmod775 »

layer8 wrote: post #265
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

What are these plentiful alternatives? SourceHut also comes with “personal baggage”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_source-code-host...

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by ngcazz »

throwayay4929 wrote: post #276
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

Imaging where the world would be if Firefox, when it came out, went deep on the Iraq war? Or if RMS got involved in, I don't know, the Lewinsky affair in the 1990s, and made it a core part of the FSF? We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6. "The personal is political" is a truly toxic idea that's been corroding nice things since it's inception.

"nice things" you mean upholding the harm of the status quo by not criticizing it

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Hendrikto »

baranul wrote: post #199
adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

Agree. Providers who don't want to deal with LLM generated code should be respected as part of the free market. Let the market decide which direction is for the better or at least allow for niches that cater to certain audiences.

That is fine unless you claim to be a neutral and free as in freedom service provider. You are clearly not at that point.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by witx »

Hendrikto wrote: post #278

> a hub built around “free software” is now telling its users which kinds of software are deemed good and which are not, and that is closer to censorship than it might seem. Once a platform writes into its terms that an entire category “harms its reputation” and can be removed on that basis, the deciding factor stops being whether the code is legal, or functional, or useful, and becomes whether it aligns with a posit…

Providers should host whatever they feel like hosting. Models were nost likely trained on stolen content, so not allowing vibecoded is taking a stance in favour of free software.

You people keep forgetting that free software is inherintly political and so platforms are more than wellcome of taking a stance. If you don't like don't use it. Quite simple

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by throwayay4929 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #211
RicoElectrico wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is why Codeberg needs to be stationed in Germany known for its goofy laws at every corner.

Germany may have goofy laws but a very stable and predictable political environment. That is why there is a long and rich history here - KDE e.V, the ones who run the same-name Linux desktop, SuSE, The Document Foundation (LibreOffice), FSF's European branch, CCC, Open Knowledge Foundation, Open Search Foundation... and that's just the most prominent ones. In general, these rules have been known for a very long time,…

In Germany you can't leave a 3 star review saying "it's just ok" for a restaurant because the owner can sue Google for defamation so Google just removes your review[0].

"Politicians send SWAT teams to the homes of people, famously in the case of Andy Grote, where someone replied "you're such a dick" to one of Grote's tweets. Grote reported this to the police, the attorney general figured out who the poster was, and sent a SWAT team (6 police officers!) to confiscate all their electronic devices. This is not an isolated case; this happens frequently."

Nah mate, Germans are famously thin skinned and have built an authoritarian state to protect their feelings.

[0]: https://x.com/eigen_moomin/status/2077471686295957749

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