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If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by varjag »

prmoustache wrote: post #81
varjag wrote: post #44

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You can't really debounce it easily due to how the OS event queue work across processes and windows. One fix could be to not bing the focus to newly open windows (like you could in X11) but that's not what users want.

> but that's not what users want. You don't know that until you ask users. That would be a much more useful question than those boring "tour guide on first login" or "please activate cortana/copilot" or "do you want to sync to onedrive" stuff one gets notified on some major desktops. My preference is focus follow mouse, no focus stealing on new window opening.

The users are trained on their exposure to behavior in Windows, MacOS and non-ancient Linux distros. Good luck changing the expectations of the world population. I believe the GIMP tried that for a few decades.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by watwut »

hypfer wrote: post #23
danlitt wrote: post #8

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Omarchy is basically just Arch with a bunch of configuration. It's not a particularly useful project, and the author is noted fascist DHH. So probably not worth your time.

I think more precise terminology would go a long way here. What is "a fascist" (in context of being labelled that on the interwebs). That could mean a lot of things. As a reader, you learn basically nothing about DHH other than that some people might not like him. ___ So to fix that: DHH has always been a very opinionated guy - with not all of those being agreed on, but there being usually some kind of point to them.…

I dont think "fascist" and "been a very opinionated guy" are mutually replacable. In fact, insistence on euphemisms like that harmed the discussion a lot and overall culture a lot.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by frameset »

eviks wrote: post #90
frameset wrote: post #80

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> How would that global app ban help? You do want the application to steal focus when necessary Maybe you do. I don't. With this setting we can both be hapopy.

We can't both be happy because the setting does nothing for me.

What? You can set it to let apps steal the focus you want. I can set it to not allow any apps to steal focus. How are we not both satisfied?

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by omnimus »

hypfer wrote: post #23
danlitt wrote: post #8

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Omarchy is basically just Arch with a bunch of configuration. It's not a particularly useful project, and the author is noted fascist DHH. So probably not worth your time.

I think more precise terminology would go a long way here. What is "a fascist" (in context of being labelled that on the interwebs). That could mean a lot of things. As a reader, you learn basically nothing about DHH other than that some people might not like him. ___ So to fix that: DHH has always been a very opinionated guy - with not all of those being agreed on, but there being usually some kind of point to them.…

To be fair DHH became exceedingly unhinged.

For example in his latest blog post he first describes problem of growing populations of wolves that are killing sheep and cannot be shot because they are protected by the state. And then starts to compare the situation with danish gypsies (Romani) in danish cities.

That's as close to fascism as you can get... it's pretty out there on the edge of legality.

I mean I used to respect his (at the time mainly technical) takes and I recommended Basecamp to so many organizations. How has this table turned so much I have no idea.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by hypfer »

graemep wrote: post #86
hypfer wrote: post #70

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Hm. I mean I would wish that your observation is correct, but I kinda doubt it. Doesn't match what I am seeing outside of the Internet. But, regardless of that, I still believe that shorthand terms and indirection are a less clean solution, and, if possible, the cleaner one with less dependencies should be used.

> Doesn't match what I am seeing outside of the Internet. Where are you? It makes a big difference. I am talking primarily about the UK, where I have lived in different areas and know a variety of people in many different places. It is, in my experience, a society where racism is relatively rare: https://pietersz.co.uk/2023/08/racism-culture-different

Uuuh idk man. I'm just seeing this stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_riots

https://www.dw.com/en/racist-riots-break-out-across-united-k...

But glad to learn that there is actually nothing to worry about I guess.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by watwut »

rightbyte wrote: post #40
hypfer wrote: post #23

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I think more precise terminology would go a long way here. What is "a fascist" (in context of being labelled that on the interwebs). That could mean a lot of things. As a reader, you learn basically nothing about DHH other than that some people might not like him. ___ So to fix that: DHH has always been a very opinionated guy - with not all of those being agreed on, but there being usually some kind of point to them.…

One could argue that fascist run FOSS projects might be working against your interest as a user. Fascist is not just a silly label. The political collapse of neoliberalism made a lot of closet fascists emerge and they seem quite common among what was earlier thought of as "techno libertarians". E.g. the VPN provider owner (forgot which) just lately. If there was too much crying wolf 15 years ago, doesn't really matte…

>,If there was too much crying wolf 15 years ago, doesn't really matter now anyways.

There was not. I used to think they are crying wolf, but imo, it turned out they were correct all along.

They were paying attention to what these people were saying and doing. They then concluded these people are fascists. Then a bunch of us, not paying attention crowd, came in accused them of crying wolf.

Maybe, crying wolf is about a boy who sees a wolf, causes commotion and protects the village. Then they dont feel like going in one time, wolfs eats them. But, village just wont admit they were obviously wrong and blames the boy.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by graemep »

omnimus wrote: post #94
hypfer wrote: post #23

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I think more precise terminology would go a long way here. What is "a fascist" (in context of being labelled that on the interwebs). That could mean a lot of things. As a reader, you learn basically nothing about DHH other than that some people might not like him. ___ So to fix that: DHH has always been a very opinionated guy - with not all of those being agreed on, but there being usually some kind of point to them.…

To be fair DHH became exceedingly unhinged. For example in his latest blog post he first describes problem of growing populations of wolves that are killing sheep and cannot be shot because they are protected by the state. And then starts to compare the situation with danish gypsies (Romani) in danish cities. That's as close to fascism as you can get... it's pretty out there on the edge of legality. I mean I used to…

I went to his blog to have a look at his racist posts, and that (which is the last post on his site) is more unhinged than his previous posts. A definitely trend of getting worse.

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by eviks »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #87
eviks wrote: post #75

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How would that global app ban help? You do want the application to steal focus when necessary. It's just in this case the user has made the decision to not wait for startup and switch to another app. Aggravating step - he was typing. Is this workflow part of the Kwin settings? It's not interrupting typing part of the settings?

Any app should be ready to accept focus. It should never steal focus. When I start an app, and wait for it to launch, I am attempting to give it focus. I can withdraw that intent at any time by doing something else (e.g. switching apps) and the launching app should finish launching and wait in the background.

Your specific example is just repeating what I've said, but your generic point is wrong: let's say you have an important task in an app with unavoidable interruptions, during which you switch to your browser to mindlessly scroll.

You most likely want to return to the main task as soon as possible because that scrolling is just a time filler because you can't do anything productive. So you don't need any notification and extra action, just switch back asap and continue work with as little interruption as possible.

But even in the specific example that depends entirely on what you're switching from and to and for what reason. If it's for something quick non-interactive (I don't know, switch to a file browser to check the file name or something), then yes, you'd prefer to seamlessly be switched back to the main app to do the thing you launched it for.

But if it's not an important app, then yeah, you just want it to be ready for you and switch to it whenever you decide to avoid the launching delay later

Re: If coding has been solved, why does software keep getting worse?

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Post by jjgreen »

prmoustache wrote: post #89
markovs_gun wrote: post #78

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Yeah I switched to Linux full time at home last year and never even heard of this distro in doing any research about it.

I heard about it but since I also heard it was built by a white supremacist, I'd rather use one that is made by decent people, especially when the added value is only a preconfigured hyprland desktop. So good marketing? Hell no.

It has smooth graphics but an unfortunate tendency to annex the Sudetenland. 2 stars.
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