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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by mschuster91 »

> Once a platform writes into its terms that an entire category “harms its reputation” and can be removed on that basis, the deciding factor stops being whether the code is legal, or functional, or useful, and becomes whether it aligns with a position the platform has taken.

The problem in here is German laws, particularly stuff like the "Störerhaftung", and what Codeberg wants is a fast avenue to yeet projects that cause an undue amount of trouble for a non-profit organization.

> The decisions did go through Codeberg’s own Assembly 2026, which is more process than most platforms bother with, and yet as an ordinary user I found out about it the way probably most people else did, through a dark blue banner at the top of the site on the day it was already settled.

You're an ordinary user, not a member of Codeberg e.V., the people running the show. Want to take part in the governance of the association, join in.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by fuglede_ »

The new terms [0] say “You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools […]. Such projects having an unclear copyright status […]”

So okay, if you're concerned about the risk of liability from unclear copyright status, I suppose that's fine, but then why the “mostly”? It's not like the copyright status becomes less unclear by you supplementing with 50% hand-written code.

[0] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/commit/96fac426a32d1ba91ff...

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by rmoriz »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #121
tebruno99 wrote: post #108

I think Codeberg is well within its rights to offer services in the way that it wants. If customers don't like it they can move & stop paying. Find a host that fits the terms you want and expect. That is what is great about Codeberg, no lockin no scam.

Codeberg is within its right to do what it wants and users are within their rights to say Codeberg's actions are shitty, could've been done in a better way for same effect, and are problematic enough to raise all sorts of alarms and recommendations of avoiding any positive connotations in the future

This is not entirely true. They are a registered non-profit club. They will lose their non-profit status if tax authority finds violating them https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ao_1977/__52.html

Then they are just a (commercial) club that has to pay taxes.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by mschuster91 »

FireInsight wrote: post #19

> Despite not owning a single project that falls into either banned category, I’m now going to look into setting up my own public Git host That's.. good, actually. I believe that even if Codeberg was good and perfect for every use case of code hosting, not every one and every project should be there. Vibe-coders, shitcoin cryptomaxis, and lovers of total freedom surely have other places to go and are able to set up f…

> Seriously, we should let go of the idea that all of humanity should be part of a single Data Silo on the internet.

There's a reason these came to be in the first place though, and accounts are among the most prominent ones. A new forum means not just registering at yet another place, it also means creating a new label/folder in your email inbox and a new filter rule to properly redirect stuff. That's friction.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by philipallstar »

atoav wrote: post #159
hespejo wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, but as freedom of expression allows 'assholes' to say whatever they want, free software also allows 'assholes' to develop whatever they want - and limiting it while position itself as the lighthouse of freedom makes Codeberg people the actual assholes

Freedom of expression, as defined in the US, sure. But not everybody in the internet shares the definition. E.g. as a European my idea of freedom of speech is not limited to the things I am allowed to say, but also about whether spaces exist in which I can say them. US style freedom of speech, doesn't produce any more insightful or free discourse than over here. In fact I'd argue it produces a discourse where voices…

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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by RicoElectrico »

mschuster91 wrote: post #201

> Once a platform writes into its terms that an entire category “harms its reputation” and can be removed on that basis, the deciding factor stops being whether the code is legal, or functional, or useful, and becomes whether it aligns with a position the platform has taken. The problem in here is German laws, particularly stuff like the "Störerhaftung", and what Codeberg wants is a fast avenue to yeet projects that…

The question is why Codeberg needs to be stationed in Germany known for its goofy laws at every corner.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by woodpanel »

> the one part I moved there for, namely the “freedom” part

Being from Germany I wondered from day-one how the project's "freedom"-promise ("We celebrate free culture, openness") would eventually work out, because lets face it, Germany is not a free-spech crazed country, even less so are its tech-people and especially not the culture in Berlin.

So the idea of a Berlin-based e.V. full of German sysadmins voting on said "freedom" made this LLM-crypto-kerfuffle exactly as surprising as raw milk spoiling fast in sunshine.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by graemep »

fuglede_ wrote: post #202

The new terms [0] say “You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools […]. Such projects having an unclear copyright status […]” So okay, if you're concerned about the risk of liability from unclear copyright status, I suppose that's fine, but then why the “mostly”? It's not like the copyright status becomes less unclear by you supplementing with 50% hand-written code. [0] ht…

Its not the real reason. Copyright law varies with jurisdiction, is not simply if its AI written its not covered" anywhere AFAIK, and the and the reasons given in the blog post do have anything to do with copyright.

There is a certain amount of fuzzy thinking, but I think what is significant about this is that Codeberg is not a neutral place for FOSS software. It is a place for FOSS that Codeberg considers good - so no LLM code, no crypto related code, and no doubt more to come. I think it feels odd to people because its a different set of values to FOSS licences which are designed to be apolitical and neutral - a software license that stated that the software could not be used for crypto or in LLM projects would not be a FOSS license.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#209

Post by thyristan »

znpy wrote: post #83

I mostly stay away from community-lead stuff (and services in particular) mostly because of this. It’s a never ending drama, and every quarter there’s something new to hate on or get offended by. I’m tired, boss.

As opposed to business-lead stuff where their credit card company, VC or possible future owner says that you are an undesirable customer and need to get bent?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#210

Post by account42 »

p-e-w wrote: post #157
izacus wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit of a drama take - there's nothing "illegitimate" with your project, Codeberg just doesn't want it. And that's ok, noone owes you free hosting.

Codeberg is a German e.V. claiming significant benefits from society, including tax-free status. The argument “they can do whatever they want” doesn’t hold water. They are using legal privileges that other institutions don’t have, based on the assumption that they operate for the public benefit. I’m not saying that their current rules automatically mean they don’t live up to that claim, but it’s certainly worth a dis…

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