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Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Post by gherkinnn »

walrus01 wrote: post #37
gherkinnn wrote: post #24

This is all good news, but one must remember that airpower alone does not win wars. > Overall then, the promise of strategic airpower, that it could win wars entirely or primarily from the skies, turns out so far to have been largely a mirage > Instead, efforts to use strategic bombing to coerce surrender have repeatedly shown that being bombed hardens civilian resolve to continue resisting. By contrast, bombing can…

> By contrast, bombing can have some effect on industrial production, but only in wars where that production matters and is available to be bombed The russian oil refineries that have been very successfully attacked seem to meet the definition of this. One obviously useful thing for the Ukrainians to do is to cut off the supply of refined diesel and petrol to the Russian army's vehicles. If this also has the effect o…

Indeed. And bringing the attacks deep in to Russia may embarrass the regime and may have led Putin to (allegedly) stage a frontline visit [0].

And yet we must never forget that there is no such thing as a wunder waffe and reducing German cities to rubble did not break the civilian resolve.

Throughout the Russian invasion of Ukraine I saw a common pattern: one side gains a technological or doctrinal advantage, may or may not make progress, the other side adapts and the situation levels out again.

0 - https://xcancel.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/20733425637973812...

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Post by Drupon »

walrus01 wrote: post #10
Drupon wrote: post #3

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There's plenty of screenshots and info online showing that wildberries was (and still is) stocking and selling single use munition FPV parts for use by russians building drones for their own offensive military operation against Ukraine. If you turn your warehouse into a storage depot for military equipment don't be surprised if the country you've invaded bombs it. The ukrainian leadership has been quite clear that at…

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Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Post by spwa4 »

distances wrote: post #54
txzl wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any examples of nations that succeeded in this regard? (currently corruption-free states)

All countries distancing themselves from Russia and aligning with the EU have managed to reduce corruption. It's a winning formula, so will very likely happen with Ukraine too after the corrupting Russian influence is eradicated.

As someone whose worked as a consultant for the EU for years, eventually realizing who the sales people of my company were (... related to), I wonder what you mean. I really wonder what you mean.

Government spending is how the Brussels economy works (there's technically 11 and in practice about 7 different governments, all of whom have similar needs), and you get government spending assigned to you by "knowing" government deciders ...

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Post by microtonal »

RivieraKid wrote: post #55
microtonal wrote: post #32

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So abducting the leader of one country (against international law) and killing the leader of another country (against international law) is fine? aims to obtain nuclear weapons After a certain country shredded a nuclear deal and made it increasingly hard for international organizations to do inspections. supports 4+ terrorist organizations in the Middle East Because the US has never supported, funded, and trained ter…

> So abducting the leader of one country (against international law) and killing the leader of another country (against international law) is fine? Depends on the leader and the country. Abducting or killing Hitler would be fine. The problem in this case was that killing the leader isn't enough to change the regime. But the regime is objectively evil and much more so than the US. > After a certain country shredded a…

I agree with the evilness of the regime. However, the problem is that when individual countries start to decide who is evil and who not, countries just declare someone evil when it is convenient to them ("there are nazis in Ukraine!") and you have a pretense to invade a country.

International law and organizations exist to avoid this issue. But the US and Russia (and maybe China) have been systematically undermining international institutions because they like to be able to attack someone at their convenience and not be held responsible for it.

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Post by konart »

distances wrote: post #40
RivieraKid wrote: post #31

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The US is providing some help but less so than Europe and much less so than what Ukraine is contributing. And by saying "to the last Ukrainian" you're spreading a Russian-propaganda narrative. This slogan has been repeatedly used by Russian officials (including Putin, Peskov, Zakharova, Matviyenko), it's a recurring theme in the Russian information space and it's used by Russian bots.

He's spreading overtly obvious Russian propaganda, he's clearly very aware of it and just prefers to take the side of evil.

Well, he is russian. It's pretty obvious to any other russian simply from the way he composes his replies.

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Post by Drupon »

fybe wrote: post #14
Drupon wrote: post #3

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It is a civilian infrastructure target, which is being used by the military for storage, warehousing and distribution. Items such as drone parts, drone release mechanisms for payloads, fiber optic spools, body armor gear and the logistics network. If US was using walmart to supply troops, even if its mostly used by civilians it could make it a legitimate target

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Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Post by walrus01 »

gherkinnn wrote: post #61
walrus01 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By contrast, bombing can have some effect on industrial production, but only in wars where that production matters and is available to be bombed The russian oil refineries that have been very successfully attacked seem to meet the definition of this. One obviously useful thing for the Ukrainians to do is to cut off the supply of refined diesel and petrol to the Russian army's vehicles. If this also has the effect o…

Indeed. And bringing the attacks deep in to Russia may embarrass the regime and may have led Putin to (allegedly) stage a frontline visit [0]. And yet we must never forget that there is no such thing as a wunder waffe and reducing German cities to rubble did not break the civilian resolve. Throughout the Russian invasion of Ukraine I saw a common pattern: one side gains a technological or doctrinal advantage, may or…

Thing is - there's no need to break the Russian civilian resolve, because nobody has the goal of invading and occupying Russia. It just needs to become far too painful for Russia to continue on its present course of action.

Let's say theoretically that Ukraine successfully takes 90% of Russia's oil refineries out of action and this crashes the domestic petrol/diesel supply so thoroughly that plowing, seeding and harvesting with mechanized agriculture equipment also crashes in Russia. Or there is a breakdown of cold chain transport warehousing/trucking and grocery supply due to lack of diesel fuel for all of the trucking. Could it result in a collapse of the russian state and civil war? Very possibly.

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Post by microtonal »

yukai wrote: post #46
Xalutiono wrote: post #27

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I never understood 'laws of war'. there is no law in war. Please country a only fight with this type of attacks so that the people you kill are only people forced to fight against you to protect themselves but not the civilians. War is war. You kill and destroy a country thats it. Its not a conflict? Russia/Putin started to attack Ukraine. Thats it, russia is bad, ukraine is not. Oh no don't use cluster bombs they ar…

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Early in the war there have been discussions about this and the rumblings were that Russia wanted to use tactical nukes on the battlefield, but China said "no".

https://www.newsweek.com/china-news-reacts-after-russia-chan...

Apparently they still regularly do: https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-china-ur...

I am happy that some cooler heads prevail.

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Post by walrus01 »

Drupon wrote: post #62
walrus01 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of screenshots and info online showing that wildberries was (and still is) stocking and selling single use munition FPV parts for use by russians building drones for their own offensive military operation against Ukraine. If you turn your warehouse into a storage depot for military equipment don't be surprised if the country you've invaded bombs it. The ukrainian leadership has been quite clear that at…

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If you're actually calling the Ukrainians, defending their own country against invasion, "terrorists", at this point you're just parroting RT and Sputnik English-language talking points.
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