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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by selfhoster1312 »

anarki8 wrote: post #155

Migrated to it around 3 years ago. All I needed was a dependable and simpler (preferably EU-based) GitHub alternative for my FOSS code. Now I am migrating away and stopped my donations to the e.V. Not because I have cryptocurrency-related or vibecoded projects (I don't), but because this sets precedent of introducing vague rules that ban random/unpopular projects. Ironically, I migrated to it from SourceHut because o…

I don't know you, but my feeling is you have the wrong analysis grid here. This is a non-profit taking a stand for what's right in a world where everything's wrong. The discussion has been ongoing for several years, and the rules introduced are not vague, and do not target random/unpopular projects.

I personally have trust in the human community behind codeberg. I understand if you don't. But my question is: why go with a non-profit host if you're not going to get involved in the governance? Of course governance is always happening in a project. For me, that power is shared and decisions are transparent are a criterium to trust codeberg even more.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by nylonstrung »

robin_reala wrote: post #106
nylonstrung wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do think the author is right that the Codeberg post was wrong to assert that "community" is a measure of the legitimacy of a FOSS project A massive amount of technology runs on essentially single-contributor projects with pretty much no "community": xz, core-js, GnuPG, NTPd, OpenSSL, cURL They didn't need to make that implication or alienate solo devs in order to drive home their point

Uh, I thunk you’re underestimating the community around most of those. BDFL doesn’t mean single-contributor.

No all of these examples have historically been single contributor

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by selfhoster1312 »

mhitza wrote: post #79
anticorporate wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "community" and "contributor community" are getting conflated here (and I made the same mistake in my original comment). All of the projects you cited certainly have a large user community. > To us, it seems ridiculous to see projects with a single developer and virtually no users consuming as much or even more resources than some of the largest community projects on Codeberg, which operate frugal with CI/CD…

Another practical application would have been if they would have charged for CI - by the minutes - for projects with no user or contributor community.

That would be a commercial activity. Codeberg is a non-profit host. I'm not familiar with german law but i assume non-profits can have some commercial activity (as long as they don't compete with commercial actors), but that would open an entire can of worms.

I think the path they chose is better: stay on their mission to provide free services to FLOSS projects who need it.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by GlacierFox »

hespejo wrote: post #145
HelloNurse wrote: post #139

> It seems like many ‘vibe coders’ don’t realize that they don’t actually have a community around them. This is not about demanding a community, as the article argues about at great length: it's only a polite way to say that many ‘vibe coders’ are annoying, negative net value assholes. Community would ensure that they are not aberrant lone wolves.

yes, but as freedom of expression allows 'assholes' to say whatever they want, free software also allows 'assholes' to develop whatever they want - and limiting it while position itself as the lighthouse of freedom makes Codeberg people the actual assholes

You're free to be an asshole all day and all night if. I'd respect that, looking at you from the top window of my lighthouse of freedom.

I don't have to let you in, feed you and offer you a bed for the night. You can be free out there.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by archargelod »

anticorporate wrote: post #10

The author seems annoyed that Codeberg wants to focus on projects that have a legitimate contributor community and is not designed for one-off individual projects. I don't share that concern. It's not all that different from Mastodon instances. It's a community space, and the community gets to decide who they allow to use their resources. Personally, I have a group of friends who share a GitLab instance, for example.…

> The author seems annoyed that Codeberg wants to focus on projects that have a legitimate contributor community and is not designed for one-off individual projects.

And the author is wrong. Nothing in the ban on heavy LLM-assisted projects + crypto and the subsequent blog post[0] is suggesting that Codeberg is against solo projects without community.

If you read the post[0] carefully and not using AI-summaries or assuming context from HN/Reddit/X comments you'll see that they are calling out specifically projects that overuse resources that are meant to be equally shared. For projects with large communities, that is expected, but solo projects with zero effective users spinning CI 20 hours a day and uploading many hundreds megabytes of code daily is just plain being an asshole.

When AI bros see words "free", they usually respond with "all for me?". But that's not how that works in most places, or atleast it's not sustainable.

Also note that Codeberg specifically said that while it's against terms, they are not going to scan for LLM-written code or pressure people to delete their small, low-resource-using repos.

[0] - https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-...

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by 0rzech »

BoxwoodSeed wrote: post #31
Rendello wrote: post #4

If you click to another tab, the site changes its title and favicon to a random webpage like: - Pick up lines suggestions – ChatGPT - Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - Youtube - Amazon.com: waifu pillow When you go back to it there's an overlay chastising you for allowing JS on an untrusted website. I thought it was pretty funny. You can see the list of fake pages in the source (which has the sketchiest URL eve…

I find it endearing that someone is keeping up the resistance against JavaScript. Used things like noscript myself since 2008 or so. Eventually gave up since nearly no website would work that way and served you captcha loops instead.

They warn against JavaScript being on by default and recommend using it only on trusted websites. It's a solid advice.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by zarzavat »

izacus wrote: post #143
matheusmoreira wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The author seems annoyed that Codeberg wants to focus on projects that have a legitimate contributor community and is not designed for one-off individual projects. Yeah, it feels so good to know my AGPLv3 free software projects are illegitimate because I haven't managed to build a community around them yet. They don't matter, they're just "one-off" individual projects. Literally prompting and shipping Fable oneshot…

This is a bit of a drama take - there's nothing "illegitimate" with your project, Codeberg just doesn't want it. And that's ok, noone owes you free hosting.

Codeberg market themselves as not just a host but a community, so mass banning projects that didn't do anything wrong and were previously operating within the rules feels more like rejection from a community rather than a business decision made of necessity, especially the way the decision came about via some quasi-democratic process.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by selfhoster1312 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #5

> A brief comment on Codeberg’s new terms, and why a free-software host deciding which projects are welcome worries But, wait, Codeberg always had limitations on what projects are hosted there??? This been very explicit from the start, it's for FOSS and anything outside of that isn't welcome. It's one of the reasons I donate there in the first place. Now they're adding additional requirements, which most of the votin…

> Given they'll kick you off the platform if you're not aligned with FOSS views and act accordingly, it seems strange to have associated Codeberg with "freedom" at all.

It's different conceptions of freedom. For some, the freedom to oppress is not freedom at all, and building non-free software is oppressive.

> Side-note, but there is something that keeps popping up as an overlay on that page but I never end up being able to see what it is, as I click continuously as I read

Yes, clicking makes it go away! It's an overlay that opens when you leave the page, saying you should really not run Javascript programs sent by the web server because they can do pretty much anything.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by bsder »

adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

Yeah, I really wish all the people whining about Codeberg would give us all pointers to free alternatives that don't have these restrictions.

And, if those alternatives don't exist, well, you now understand why Codeberg is taking the position they are.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by 0rzech »

classictraffic wrote: post #39
Rendello wrote: post #4

If you click to another tab, the site changes its title and favicon to a random webpage like: - Pick up lines suggestions – ChatGPT - Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - Youtube - Amazon.com: waifu pillow When you go back to it there's an overlay chastising you for allowing JS on an untrusted website. I thought it was pretty funny. You can see the list of fake pages in the source (which has the sketchiest URL eve…

I thought it was funny at first and kept clicking away to see what other random changes I'd get, but then I got a "Zuckerberg nudes" Google search webpage and I'm on my work computer... Fortunately this functionality doesn't change your browser history, but it did really annoy me for a bit

Interestingly, nothing happens in my case, even after unblocking JS on their site. I suppose it's because I do block JS by default.
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