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Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Good job, Ukraine! Russia must be destroyed in its current fascist form.

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The US is providing some help but less so than Europe and much less so than what Ukraine is contributing.

And by saying "to the last Ukrainian" you're spreading a Russian-propaganda narrative. This slogan has been repeatedly used by Russian officials (including Putin, Peskov, Zakharova, Matviyenko), it's a recurring theme in the Russian information space and it's used by Russian bots.

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Pretty much yes. Russia Launched a massive invasion on a smaller country and they are fighting back. America did the same with Iran. Same as the United arab would did against Israel. Twice. Insert “are we the bad guys” meme.

You're not the bad guys, there's a huge difference between the attack vs Iran and the attack vs Ukraine. Iran is an authoritarian regime which repeatedly said that Israel should cease to exist, has killed tens of thousands of their own people, aims to obtain nuclear weapons and supports 4+ terrorist organizations in the Middle East.

So abducting the leader of one country (against international law) and killing the leader of another country (against international law) is fine?

aims to obtain nuclear weapons

After a certain country shredded a nuclear deal and made it increasingly hard for international organizations to do inspections.

supports 4+ terrorist organizations in the Middle East

Because the US has never supported, funded, and trained terrorist organizations?

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In this case, in contrast to Ukraine, it's also possible that both sides are the bad guys.

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Ukraine's innovation and perseverance under extreme duress is inspirational. I hope they continue their path towards a stronger, more democratic and more corruption-free nation who can stand tall and resist tyrannical States like Russia

> and more corruption-free nation I'm really rooting for Ukraine here, and it looks like they are well on their way to succeeding pushing Russia out. But the corruption issue ... for this particular problem, old habits unfortunately die really, really hard. When corruption has become interwoven into the fabric of a society the way it has in Ukraine, and for such a long time, rooting it out will be very, very hard. Th…

Any examples of nations that succeeded in this regard? (currently corruption-free states)

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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It does, but I don’t think the Ukrainians will get much flak for it. Bombing consumer goods distributors doesn’t worry people as much as bombing food distributors or chemical warfare on farms (eg Agent Orange), and besides that direct strategic bombing of civilian targets was heavily used in WW2 without much backlash. I think they’d get a lot of flak if they started doing that.

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Good job, Ukraine! Russia must be destroyed in its current fascist form.

I don’t think it’s fascist? More of a kleptocratic dictatorship. I agree with the general sentiment though!

Also “ethnocentric”. But as usual, we first need to have a shared definition of fascism. If we use Eco’s Ur-fascism, many aspects are there (the moral and cultural decadence of the West, which is both too strong and too weak)

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and more corruption-free nation I'm really rooting for Ukraine here, and it looks like they are well on their way to succeeding pushing Russia out. But the corruption issue ... for this particular problem, old habits unfortunately die really, really hard. When corruption has become interwoven into the fabric of a society the way it has in Ukraine, and for such a long time, rooting it out will be very, very hard. Th…

Any examples of nations that succeeded in this regard? (currently corruption-free states)

Former Yugoslavia. From what I hear from my parents' generation, you couldn't do anything or it would take a serious amount of time without bakshish, today it' pretty frowned upon, at least in the EU countries. Serbia and Bosnia are a different game...

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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This is all good news, but one must remember that airpower alone does not win wars. > Overall then, the promise of strategic airpower, that it could win wars entirely or primarily from the skies, turns out so far to have been largely a mirage > Instead, efforts to use strategic bombing to coerce surrender have repeatedly shown that being bombed hardens civilian resolve to continue resisting. By contrast, bombing can…

> By contrast, bombing can have some effect on industrial production, but only in wars where that production matters and is available to be bombed

The russian oil refineries that have been very successfully attacked seem to meet the definition of this. One obviously useful thing for the Ukrainians to do is to cut off the supply of refined diesel and petrol to the Russian army's vehicles.

If this also has the effect of causing significant pain to the russian domestic economy (lack of fuel for general civilian vehicle uses of all types), it has the additional benefit of being a very real and public pain point causing dissatisfaction with the average russian civilian.

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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Ukraine's innovation and perseverance under extreme duress is inspirational. I hope they continue their path towards a stronger, more democratic and more corruption-free nation who can stand tall and resist tyrannical States like Russia

> and more corruption-free nation I'm really rooting for Ukraine here, and it looks like they are well on their way to succeeding pushing Russia out. But the corruption issue ... for this particular problem, old habits unfortunately die really, really hard. When corruption has become interwoven into the fabric of a society the way it has in Ukraine, and for such a long time, rooting it out will be very, very hard. Th…

> corruption has become interwoven into the fabric of a society

It is part of every society, but Ukrainians and the west perceive it as a problem for Ukraine while, say, Danes do not, although Denmark [1] is utterly corrupt in its own ways.

Corruption is problem only for states that underwent recent political transitions and where class struggle has not been a thing for various reasons. Ukraine improves quickly, but signs of improvement are not in the corruption perception indices but in people manifesting their opinions on the streets, like in the recent ousting, then re-hiring of the Defense Minister.

[1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt32482555/

Re: Russia's businesses under strain from Ukraine's attacks on Wildberries

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The US is providing some help but less so than Europe and much less so than what Ukraine is contributing. And by saying "to the last Ukrainian" you're spreading a Russian-propaganda narrative. This slogan has been repeatedly used by Russian officials (including Putin, Peskov, Zakharova, Matviyenko), it's a recurring theme in the Russian information space and it's used by Russian bots.

He's spreading overtly obvious Russian propaganda, he's clearly very aware of it and just prefers to take the side of evil.
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