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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by insanitybit »

satvikpendem wrote: post #630
insanitybit wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no clue what you're talking about tbh. I can use a lossy compression algorithm that is definitionally holding less information than the original while still be subject to the copyright of the original. This is just obviously true, converting a PNG to a JPEG does not invalidate the copyright on the PNG. You can also produce an imagine using a lossy compression algorithm that is not subject to the copyright of t…

Read their example again if you have no idea what they're talking about. Nothing you said defeats the fact that LLMs do not do compression.

Nothing about entropy is related to copyright.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by insanitybit »

satvikpendem wrote: post #619
insanitybit wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you missing the comment that I'd responded to? > Information entropy. The amount of data an LLM ingests cannot be compressed to the size of the weights even at maximum theoretical compression.

I wrote that comment. As I said, an LLM's weights are less than the size of theoretical compression, therefore what LLM training is doing is not compression at all.

I can't believe I have to say this again? Information theory is completely irrelevant to copyright.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by freejazz »

satvikpendem wrote: post #629
freejazz wrote: post #624

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The idea that art was made at all contradicts a premise offered by no one

You just replied "and" so not sure what premise you're even offing then.

You've replied to several of my posts in this thread, no need to play a fool

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by andsoitis »

satvikpendem wrote: post #628
andsoitis wrote: post #494

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There's nothing that prevents people from remixing things that are not copyrighted and create something amazing that others are interested in or of cultural value. With open source, I should note, its remixing is in fact governed by copyright.

What things are not copyrighted? Anything someone makes is immediately copyrighted. If you mean take a couple hundred years old content to remix, well, I don't find that very useful and certainly not how human history has worked all this time.

You are right that in most countries (including the US) copyright protects a work automatically the moment it’s fixed in a tangible form.

I think we’ve veered a little off the original thesis where we started which is an argument that copyright is limiting the rate or breadth or level of cultural artifacts. I have to say that I find it hard to imagine a meaningfully higher volume or level than we already see today. I mean are you worried that we’re stifling creativity? I think it is abundant and the evidence is all around us.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by satvikpendem »

insanitybit wrote: post #632
satvikpendem wrote: post #619

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote that comment. As I said, an LLM's weights are less than the size of theoretical compression, therefore what LLM training is doing is not compression at all.

I can't believe I have to say this again? Information theory is completely irrelevant to copyright.

At this point I believe you are willfully misunderstanding the argument, based on your other comments saying you don't understand, repeatedly, so I can't believe you have to say it again either.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by insanitybit »

satvikpendem wrote: post #635
insanitybit wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't believe I have to say this again? Information theory is completely irrelevant to copyright.

At this point I believe you are willfully misunderstanding the argument, based on your other comments saying you don't understand, repeatedly, so I can't believe you have to say it again either.

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by ryan_lane »

Fantosism wrote: post #627
ryan_lane wrote: post #587

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Federally, it is illegal to set a rate with clients. By law, rates must be negotiable. There's no regulation around sharing commissions between real estate agents, so maybe this is where you're getting confused?

This is why I keep using standard instead of law. Rates have always been negotiable by law but in practice they weren't. Oh well, not in this industry any longer so I'll just stay ignorant on this topic.

Higher sale price homes rarely use standard rates. Funny enough, you can pretty easily see this even on shows like selling sunset, when they show you the sales price and the potential commission. There's also points in the show where they explicitly discuss rates and points at which they negotiate it.

It's also super common to negotiate a rate with an agent if you're buying a new house and selling your old one, by offering to let them be agent for both.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by tim-projects »

thewebguyd wrote: post #161
tim-projects wrote: post #95

This is a too big to fail scenario. If these companies fail, so does the US economy. Normal laws for individuals don't apply, so any comparison to that is pointless.

There should be no such thing as "too big to fail" in a free, competitive market. Companies must be allowed to fail. If failure means catastrophe for the nation, it shouldn't have been a private, for-profit project in the first place and instead be a public project.

I don't make the rules

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by Fantosism »

ryan_lane wrote: post #637
Fantosism wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I keep using standard instead of law. Rates have always been negotiable by law but in practice they weren't. Oh well, not in this industry any longer so I'll just stay ignorant on this topic.

Higher sale price homes rarely use standard rates. Funny enough, you can pretty easily see this even on shows like selling sunset, when they show you the sales price and the potential commission. There's also points in the show where they explicitly discuss rates and points at which they negotiate it. It's also super common to negotiate a rate with an agent if you're buying a new house and selling your old one, by of…

Right but higher sale price homes aren't the ones that happen most frequently, which is why we have television shows around them. Completely agree with your last point, 1031 exchanges discounted even higher.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by umpalumpaaa »

derrasterpunkt wrote: post #339
inigyou wrote: post #317

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Why is everyone talking about human analogies when LLMs are not humans?

Because the process is the same. When you read a book you don‘t save it as a brain file, you form memories from it. Some people can recall verbatim bits here and there but I have never met someone regurgitating a book word for word. And I‘m pretty sure I can not ask ChatGPT to output the first chapter of Moby Dick word for word. I think that would be, rightfully, considered copyright infringement.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2601.02671
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