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DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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I think it goes more like: Hello Skynet, we have 1.6T debt to hide as there are no chances to recoup that money and investors are getting really angry at us. Hello, say no more I have a perfect solution for this problem…

*Chinese lab releases open model weights*

  *Shuts off Internet access to Chinese labs (womp womp, no blatant distillation of US models)*

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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> The kit utilizes a novel interface with the aircraft’s flight controls and mission systems, allowing a pilot to toggle between traditional human control and AI control with the flip of a switch. This ensures a safe, reliable environment for human-on-the-loop experimentation. How, exactly, does that ensure a safe reliable environment? Humans are pretty bad at suddenly taking over when an automatic system reaches its…

A computer is "flying" the F-16 all the time anyway. It's a statically unstable aircraft. I wonder if the AI control is giving inputs to the same flight controls system a human pilot would, or if it has a lower-level interface that could bypass the control laws in the human-operated system. On one hand you might be interested in the AI coming up with ways to fly the aircraft that the normal control laws don't allow,…

> A computer is "flying" the F-16 all the time anyway. It's a statically unstable aircraft.

Ugh... I... Are you serious? Sure, in some sense AI is a computer and the fancy state machine that compensates for inherent flight instability is a computer also. But to equate the two is ridiculous.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Which cheap drones? Specifically which systems are currently out-competing F-16s in air to air combat in either trials or combat?

You don't need F-16s at all if you have cheap drones. Why send an expensive plane with a pilot to bomb some country if you can send a drone that costs as little as a basic SUV instead?

Cheap drones are only effective against soft targets. Many high priority targets are not soft. Even Ukraine invests in expensive systems to defeat harder targets.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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post #242

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A computer is "flying" the F-16 all the time anyway. It's a statically unstable aircraft. I wonder if the AI control is giving inputs to the same flight controls system a human pilot would, or if it has a lower-level interface that could bypass the control laws in the human-operated system. On one hand you might be interested in the AI coming up with ways to fly the aircraft that the normal control laws don't allow,…

> A computer is "flying" the F-16 all the time anyway. It's a statically unstable aircraft. Ugh... I... Are you serious? Sure, in some sense AI is a computer and the fancy state machine that compensates for inherent flight instability is a computer also. But to equate the two is ridiculous.

I don't think they're equating it, moreso saying that, on a technicality, it's already a computer that's always flying the plane, but that the AI and the flight control system are quite different.

It's a fair comment given that they'd just been talking about how the AI might control the plane - will it give inputs to the state machine or have direct control over all flight systems? One would strongly assume the inputs must be to the state machine. ..but oh boy wouldn't it be interesting to just hand it full systems control!

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A computer is "flying" the F-16 all the time anyway. It's a statically unstable aircraft. I wonder if the AI control is giving inputs to the same flight controls system a human pilot would, or if it has a lower-level interface that could bypass the control laws in the human-operated system. On one hand you might be interested in the AI coming up with ways to fly the aircraft that the normal control laws don't allow,…

> A computer is "flying" the F-16 all the time anyway. It's a statically unstable aircraft. Ugh... I... Are you serious? Sure, in some sense AI is a computer and the fancy state machine that compensates for inherent flight instability is a computer also. But to equate the two is ridiculous.

I'm sorry my "equating" is so offensive to you.

The gist of my reason for commenting was more musing about how the AI might interact with the digital flight control computer (i.e. are its inputs mediated by software in the same way a human's are).

If the AI is a neural network then, in some sense, it's just a fancy lookup table, too.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Updated to reflect modern realities: > In a panic, they try to pull the plug. Skynet lobbyists descend upon Washington. Skynet is reinstated, and later the US declares a new war in the middle east. The Skynet stock rallies.

> The Skynet stock rallies. Interestingly, a lot of people are looking at LLMs or automated drones as "AI", but I think that capitalism is a better contender. It's a self-healing, self-organizing system that has its own logic and seems to have escaped the desires of its human creators. It treats individual firms as the cells within it, individual humans as its DNA molecules, and it even has a form of tissue different…

> capitalism is a better contender. It's a self-healing, self-organizing system that has its own logic and seems to have escaped the desires of its human creators. It treats individual firms as the cells within it, individual humans as its DNA molecules, and it even has a form of tissue differentiation via industries

This is not a new idea. Howard Bloom (author of The Lucifer Principle [0]) developed the idea that among intelligeng beings "memetic evolution" > "genetic evolution" i.e. the unit of selection is the "idea" as expressed in social/political groupings. In this view of the world, the survival of individuals are less important than the survival of the "group concept" (not the set of genes i.e. the tribal "badge" > the tribal genes). e.g. Judaism, mercantilism, Catholicism, free-market capitalism etc etc.

Definitely worth a read.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucifer_Principle

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