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Re: John C. Dvorak has died

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Post by gasgdsadgfa »

qingcharles wrote: post #302
jl6 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia sources the claim to an article by Jerry Pournelle in BYTE magazine, from 1985.

Here's the snippet in question from the magazine: https://imgur.com/a/8SVQGnj

Wikipedia and Pournelle are wrong, here's John Charles Dvorak himself on November 27, 1988:

https://ibb.co/x8RJvWyX

"I'm told there is a relationship, but I can't prove it."

John knows who his uncles are. His father is Walter Charles Dvorak born in Minneapolis to John Steve Dvorak (also born in Minneapolis). August Dvorak and all of his siblings (none of them Walter) were all born in McLeod County to IMMIGRANT Joseph Dvorak. If there's a connection it goes back to Bohemia.

Re: John C. Dvorak has died

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Post by jccalhoun »

abraxas wrote: post #306
jccalhoun wrote: post #288

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Over the years I heard so many people online mentioning how they liked No Agenda that I tried it 3-4 times and every single time they were talking about some racist or conspiracy theory garbage. Maybe I just happened to randomly pick the only 3-4 times they did that but that was enough for me.

No, it's been consistently like that. I sampled their episodes over a number of years and the theme was the same. It was sad to see Dvorak gradually adopt the same views after a while. At first he would attempt some mild pushback but later he embraced that nonsense full steam. You truly become the average of the people you most surround yourself with.

Sadly, that is true. I went through Dvorak's twitter feed and didn't even get to July 1st before I was exhausted by how much racist stuff he was retweeting.

Re: John C. Dvorak has died

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Post by cb33 »

antonvs wrote: post #218
cb33 wrote: post #89

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Been racking my brain trying to understand what the purpose of this comment is. I'm not saying everyone MUST write something positive about the man, but I just have a hard time understanding what this comment in particular adds.

The purpose could be to connect with others with similar opinions. Like me. Reading this thread, I’m discovering that the point about Dvorak wasn’t his typical wildly off-base opinions but, to many people apparently, the entertainment value in how he presented them. I mistook him for a bad pundit when he was really an entertainer - like treating a boy band as musicians instead of performers.

Ah ok, yes perhaps that's it. I didn't consider that type of "connection"...

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Post by jibal »

elzbardico wrote: post #273
jibal wrote: post #252

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The only "TDS" is Trump devotion/defense syndrome.

Stop fighting because of that buffon, folks. There's no TDS (whatever version of it you like). Trump himself is the disease. But yes, right-wing people still defending him, because he may still speak something they like about some issues, is like an abused partner telling the doctors in ER: "but he is a good husband"

You yourself pointlessly joined the "fight". The anonymous downvotes on my comment are themselves demonstrations of Trump devotion/defense syndrome.

Re: John C. Dvorak has died

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Post by user_7832 »

tmtvl wrote: post #268
user_7832 wrote: post #260

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Unfortunately python scripts turn out to be not as vulnerable to character escaping exploits. Character escape, in this context, of course, refers to the keys themselves flying out of the keyboard, this being a hardware product and all.

Did you reply to the wrong comment? I can't see anything here to do with either Python or hardware.

It was a bad joke, a .py and an apostrophe character reminded me of an SQL injection escape.

...Yeah I don't work in SQL if it wasn't obvious lol

Re: John C. Dvorak has died

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Post by jl6 »

gasgdsadgfa wrote: post #321
qingcharles wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the snippet in question from the magazine: https://imgur.com/a/8SVQGnj

Wikipedia and Pournelle are wrong, here's John Charles Dvorak himself on November 27, 1988: https://ibb.co/x8RJvWyX "I'm told there is a relationship, but I can't prove it." John knows who his uncles are. His father is Walter Charles Dvorak born in Minneapolis to John Steve Dvorak (also born in Minneapolis). August Dvorak and all of his siblings (none of them Walter) were all born in McLeod County to IMMIGRANT Joseph…

Is that from the San Francisco Examiner? Do you have sources for the family information you mention?

Re: John C. Dvorak has died

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Post by nyanmatt »

abraxas wrote: post #212

I'm going to post something that contradicts this outpouring of fondness for the late Dvorak. While I did enjoy his friendly curmudgeon act in the days of TWiT, I was very dismayed by him jumping in bed with that paranoid crackpot and I blame him for a lot of toxic ideas that he helped spread in his No Agenda show years. Maybe his earlier act was the mask and the latter John C Dvorak was the real persona. Or maybe th…

Thank you for your courage.

Re: John C. Dvorak has died

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Post by Anamon »

bborud wrote: post #264
taylodl wrote: post #139

First it was Jerry Pournelle and now it's John Dvorak. I read those columns religiously back in the day. I just realized I no longer read anyone religiously, listen to podcasts for any length of time - there's something about the buzz of 80s computing that has been totally lost. That's not necessarily a bad thing, I think it just means the industry has matured. But boy oh boy! The immature industry was a lot of fun!

The immature 1980s industry was a lot more fun than any decade since. The problem with the future is that when it arrives it tends to bring amazing things, but they are still executed in a way that is disappointing, annoying and clumsy. I remember thinking in the early 1980s, when I struggled to get my first dot matrix printer to work with an old instrumentation computer that in the future printers will just work. An…

This, sadly, is like straight from my heart. Thank you for putting the feeling into words.

Re: John C. Dvorak has died

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Post by gasgdsadgfa »

jl6 wrote: post #327
gasgdsadgfa wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia and Pournelle are wrong, here's John Charles Dvorak himself on November 27, 1988: https://ibb.co/x8RJvWyX "I'm told there is a relationship, but I can't prove it." John knows who his uncles are. His father is Walter Charles Dvorak born in Minneapolis to John Steve Dvorak (also born in Minneapolis). August Dvorak and all of his siblings (none of them Walter) were all born in McLeod County to IMMIGRANT Joseph…

Is that from the San Francisco Examiner? Do you have sources for the family information you mention?

Yes it is, and yes, several primary sources that anyone can easily find if they're looking in the proper places.
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