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we've been working on basically the same problem in the email space for a few decades (legit email vs. mass spam). its a very hard (i think impossible) problem.
Well, it is technologically not that hard to imagine a solution---the problem is social, getting everyone to agree on how to do it, figure out the policy around it, etc. And the situation is getting so bad that maybe it is time for someone (maybe someone reading this thread) to figure it out.
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Why is your comment exactly word for word of another comment just one level above in the comment chain?
Maybe because they restated what they said instead of addressing to the previous commenter’s point.
Sites like The Numbers have to take on the cost of surviving the AI onslaught and the AI companies return nothing back to them.
AI companies really do socialize the costs and privatize the profits. Sites like The Numbers have to take on the cost of surviving the AI onslaught and the AI companies return nothing back to them.
"One Reddit theory even suggested it was a deliberate rug pull designed to cripple the free site to push people towards paid products." I know this isn't really the point of the article, but I've been thinking about this a lot. I wonder if we're going to see more resources go this way. I used to publish little doo-dads as opensource software. Not because it was something that was legitimately ground breaking or anyth…
I dont get this.
You provided something for free to help people, but dont want to do that anymore because it might go into training data and help many many more people?
So far LLMs have been loan funded donations of loss leading services. They might never actually make their first dollar of profit.
Meanwhile ISPs the world over have been monetizing access to your content.
I feel like what you mean is that you want control over attribution.
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This attitude makes zero sense to me. You benefit from the "training data" just like everyone else does. If you don't, that's a problem with you, not a problem with AI models. AI solves exactly the meta-problem you describe: "I had a problem and needed to write a one-off doo-dad utility program to solve it." Now you can do something with your time besides writing pointless one-off doo-dads. As for monetizing the trai…
It does make sense. When podgietaru wrote their doo-dad programs, I guess they made their work available for humans to use and they didn't mind giving their work away for free. Some other person might say "I'm giving my work away free, I don't care if humans use it or AI, for any purpose". Both are legitimate choices, each according to their own. As for "everyone benefiting from training data" - sure, but the AI comp…
Its not guaranteed they will ever get there, every day it seems increasingly likely that without massive government intervention we are just waiting for local open weights models to become popular.
Meanwhile my ISP gatekeeps the same free content behind a service payment. Their motive isnt free love and world peace, its also profit.
>If I stole all veggies from your garden but spent time/money/effort making a meal, I should at minimum share it with you for free, no?
If you cloned all the veggies in my garden you are free to clone them further and fill your belly you owe me nothing.
I think people are missing one of the points of the article. It's not just that agents are hammering the site, it's that there might be lurking vulnerabilities that allow malicious usage, which is why it went down, then came back up with a fraction of the data and a reduced design. The article says (speculates?) that malicious users are trying to get privileged access for an edge in prediction market betting. From th…
If it's the case that prediction market traders were trying to front-run the market outcomes, the prediction markets should put the fix on their end by locking down trading before a market closes with some time buffer to prevent this.
You can unilaterally stop trading 'before a market closes with some time buffer to prevent this.' No need for centralised action.
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> But now I'm really reluctant to give more stuff to the free web. Because the fact that it gets scraped and added to a pile of training data to later be monetized really rubs me the wrong way. The thing is, people were scraping and monetizing other people's websites long before the current LLM fad. The difference is the magnitude of the problem. > And I can see why maintainers of sites like this, or other free but i…
A change in quantity can become a change in quality.
"One Reddit theory even suggested it was a deliberate rug pull designed to cripple the free site to push people towards paid products." I know this isn't really the point of the article, but I've been thinking about this a lot. I wonder if we're going to see more resources go this way. I used to publish little doo-dads as opensource software. Not because it was something that was legitimately ground breaking or anyth…