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Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
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#752Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Nobody is making this argument because this is a normal thing that companies do. It's so common it is named in business strategy: "commoditize your complements." It is common in business strategy, far less so in nation-state governance. The reason you, me, and so many people in the United States still have a far better quality of life and level of freedom than most people in China is because it’s bad to run a count…
"you, me, and so many people in the United States still have a far better quality of life and level of freedom" LOL - are you sure about this?
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#753Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
#754Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't say "Both sides are the same". I said both candidates were morons. As far as terms, I don't like really like either side we have on the menu right now.
Potato, potahto. Your comment is indistinguishable from a "both sides are the same" argument.
That would only be because you chose not to distinguish it. The words differ because the sentiment differs. Both sides are not "the same" manifestly. This does not mean both candidates were not morons.
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I don’t think there’s much reason to believe a Democrat or a different Republican would be less likely to implement protectionist laws. That’s kind of a reoccurring problem.
Remember when Biden increased tariffs on Chinese EVs because they threatened American auto companies and unions?
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#756Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
#757I'm not sure whether Chinese AI models are being banned because of concerns about corporate data leaks, to slow China's AI development, or to protect the U.S. AI industry. But for startups, I think affordability is probably the most important factor.
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#758Proprietary model weights are IP, their outputs are not IP and I can't imagine a court decision that would rule otherwise because that would set an extremely far reaching and dangerous precedent, even for American businesses. I don't think distillation as 'stealing IP' has any legal legs. They can probably claim violation of ToS at best because the terms of use do prohibit use for training rival models.
Your looking at this from a legal perspective. Consider a diplomatic one instead.
Model training is expensive. Model distillation is cheaper. If you train models, and that lets your adversary distill them for much cheaper, that gives your adversary an advantage. Giving your adversary an advantage is bad, so you address it.
It doesn’t matter whether the advantage was gained legally, not even if it was fair. The advantage in and of itself is bad, and sufficient reason to act. You couch it in less nakedly power hungry terms, but this is the reasoning.
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#759Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
#760I think distillation is inevitable and pretty hard to prevent but I also dunno why anyone would spend billions to train frontier models if there's enough distillation going on to get near it with much lower spend.
Oh, you mean not commit fraud? Why would any respectable company do that?
This seems odd to say about a group of companies that supposedly built this on scraped data.