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DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by nradov »

bilalnpe wrote: post #213
ungreased0675 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps counterintuitively, the human is not the weak link when maneuverability is concerned. The airframe is. Pilots regularly fly right at the airframe limits, sometimes a little bit over.

Do they not bother designing airframes to withstand more because the human wouldn't survive it anyway?

It's all a matter of trade-offs. If you design the airframe to withstand higher G forces that makes it heavier. Thus you sacrifice range and payload. There are very few real world scenarios where the ability to pull more G's is actually helpful.

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

jerlam wrote: post #115
1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line on August 4, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

This movie is back in theaters for a limited time, for its 35th anniversary! Assuming that your movie theaters haven't all closed already.

Heck, I have a drive-in theater relatively near that's still going strong.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

Onavo wrote: post #222
Terr_ wrote: post #218

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I think we need to start distinguishing between different qualitative grades of "computer assistance" here. The executive decision of "fly north instead of east" is on a different tier than "increase angle of flap more than normal to compensate for under-performing in prior maneuver." In the broadest sense, my car is not drive-able without computer assistance either, because if you burn out the computers the engine w…

But your average Cessna lawnmower engine is perfectly startable without computer assistance.

So is my 80 year old car. But like the Cessna, it's suited to a vastly different role than a Lamborghini.

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Post by palmotea »

nostrademons wrote: post #154
asdfman123 wrote: post #108

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Updated to reflect modern realities: > In a panic, they try to pull the plug. Skynet lobbyists descend upon Washington. Skynet is reinstated, and later the US declares a new war in the middle east. The Skynet stock rallies.

> The Skynet stock rallies. Interestingly, a lot of people are looking at LLMs or automated drones as "AI", but I think that capitalism is a better contender. It's a self-healing, self-organizing system that has its own logic and seems to have escaped the desires of its human creators. It treats individual firms as the cells within it, individual humans as its DNA molecules, and it even has a form of tissue different…

> but I think that capitalism is a better contender. It's a self-healing, self-organizing system that has its own logic and seems to have escaped the desires of its human creators.

Except capitalism is an ideology not a system. And I think (in its current form) it serves the desires of some of its human "creators," while failing many, many others. Those creators then fund huge amounts of propaganda to indoctrinate adherents to sustain its dysfunctions.

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Post by idiotsecant »

ghaff wrote: post #199
ozim wrote: post #189

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But we already embraced this way of thinking since introduction of „corporate personhood”.

One can disagree about aspects of corporate financing of elections etc. while also accepting that everything doesn't get thrown up in the air if a corporate officer leaves for another company. Corporations are established entities that effectively act as a person for certain purposes--though one is welcome to disagree about the extent of those purposes. I expect most people here wouldn't, for example, be opposed to c…

This is a strawman. Why do you have to be a person to donate to charities?

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by datadrivenangel »

olyjohn wrote: post #183
JanNash wrote: post #117

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This was likely written sarcastically by the original commenter (throw...). Please termimate sarcasm with /s, not everyone is able to read the subtext. Cheers.

I dunno, the /s kinda ruins it sometimes.

/s?

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by XorNot »

rasz wrote: post #228
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #209

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You don't need F-16s at all if you have cheap drones. Why send an expensive plane with a pilot to bomb some country if you can send a drone that costs as little as a basic SUV instead?

Pretty much. Drones that disabled /checks notes ~200 barges and tankers in red/black sea in last two weeks cost about $10mil total. Cost of all the drones that burned down half of russian Oil infrastructure totals less than couple F-35s.

And yet the Russian war machine pushes on.

Opening up ways to pressure the Russian economy in a war of choice does equate to achieving decisive battlefield advantages.

There's a reason those drones hit oil refineries and not steel works.

That's not to undermine how the strategic environment has changed, but to imagine that now - after the change - it'll obviously stay that way forever is ridiculous.

Ukraine is not being destroyed by unstoppable swarms of cheap drones which Russia is perfectly capable of producing. So clearly this story is more complicated.

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Post by protocolture »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line on August 4, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. They all crashed 1% of the time despite assurances from DARPA that their prompt included "Dont Crash".

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by ssl-3 »

beezlewax wrote: post #151
Hikikomori wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We almost had it in the 50s when US airforce wanted to build a completely automatic nuclear response system that would launch on warning, or if a glitch happened, without failsafes built in.

Isn't that the plot of Dr. Strangelove?

Also Wargames.
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