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New rental trend? A $200 'work-from-home fee' tacked on to Bay Area lease

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Re: New rental trend? A $200 'work-from-home fee' tacked on to Bay Area lease

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Context matters... According to the article, the lease (rental rate) includes fully paid utilities and internet. The landlords are then saying - if you're going to work from home full time, we'll raise the rate by $200. One can dispute the figure/amount but the logic seems reasonable i.e. if you're working from home full time, then you'll probably run the AC for way longer than if you went to the office 5 days a week…

Using more Internet at work than at night playing 4K Netflix or downloading 100GB+ games and multi-GB patches? Doubtful.

Re: New rental trend? A $200 'work-from-home fee' tacked on to Bay Area lease

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Context matters... According to the article, the lease (rental rate) includes fully paid utilities and internet. The landlords are then saying - if you're going to work from home full time, we'll raise the rate by $200. One can dispute the figure/amount but the logic seems reasonable i.e. if you're working from home full time, then you'll probably run the AC for way longer than if you went to the office 5 days a week…

Who pays per byte for internet?!

The other points are well made, though. The lesson, I suppose: bills included is a bad idea. The incentives are misaligned all round.

Re: New rental trend? A $200 'work-from-home fee' tacked on to Bay Area lease

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Operating a business out of your home is a different story. The issue there is customers coming to the home, which means traffic and a general disturbance for neighbors. That's very different than someone sitting at home on a Zoom meeting.

Is it really so different? What is the difference in impact to the owner/neighbors/community if I am: 1.) Working remotely as an employee, 2.) Working remotely as a contractor, or 3.) Working remotely as an employee of the company I own? Certainly you can't run a shop front in a residential setting, but it's not the "operating a business" part so much as the "serving customers in person" part that would cause a distu…

I’d be curious to hear both sides of the story on the Etsy thing. I’d imagine for anyone to even know it was happening it would need to reach a level of scale/disruption that made people start asking questions or complain.

I think with most of these rules, they are there to give them some teeth incase something gets out of hand in one way or another, and are often only enforced if something becomes a problem. Alternatively, they’re used to get someone out who is a bad tenant/neighbor, and they need to find a technicality to boot them out for everyone else’s sanity.

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Context matters... According to the article, the lease (rental rate) includes fully paid utilities and internet. The landlords are then saying - if you're going to work from home full time, we'll raise the rate by $200. One can dispute the figure/amount but the logic seems reasonable i.e. if you're working from home full time, then you'll probably run the AC for way longer than if you went to the office 5 days a week…

>then you'll probably run the AC for way longer than if you went to the office 5 days a week for at least 6 hours each day, you'll user more internet and/or we might need a higher speed internet/bandwidth, you'll use more power, etc. This also covers adult children playing games all day, or a variety of other situations. Seems weird to single out work from home.

The point I think the landlords are trying to make is that if you spend majority of your time at home, they assume (expect) the utilities to be higher.

Keep in mind this is a 1 bedroom ADA and so they’re probably targeting a specific type of tenant.

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Context matters... According to the article, the lease (rental rate) includes fully paid utilities and internet. The landlords are then saying - if you're going to work from home full time, we'll raise the rate by $200. One can dispute the figure/amount but the logic seems reasonable i.e. if you're working from home full time, then you'll probably run the AC for way longer than if you went to the office 5 days a week…

Who pays per byte for internet?! The other points are well made, though. The lesson, I suppose: bills included is a bad idea. The incentives are misaligned all round.

Some Internet providers have different rates for different capacities/bandwidth. Last time I used COMCAST, their wizard walked you through different use-cases and you got different packages based on the type of stuff you said you used it for.

Re: New rental trend? A $200 'work-from-home fee' tacked on to Bay Area lease

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Context matters... According to the article, the lease (rental rate) includes fully paid utilities and internet. The landlords are then saying - if you're going to work from home full time, we'll raise the rate by $200. One can dispute the figure/amount but the logic seems reasonable i.e. if you're working from home full time, then you'll probably run the AC for way longer than if you went to the office 5 days a week…

Fuck this logic. It's a cash grab.

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Assuming nothing illegal, it isn't the landlord's business what a tenant is doing inside, working or sitting around watching TV... why does it matter? They should just be happy the person has a job and can pay the rent on time.

If you really want to do something this dumb, I think it would be less dumb as a landlord to implement this as a discount. Submit a pay stub and job offer letter referencing hybrid/in-office/in-person employment and get a $200/month discount. The idea of this is not completely crazy. I definitely wear on my home hardware when working from home. However, the rent is supposed to already be covering the typical amount o…

If the landlord does that the rent on the listing will be higher by $200, thus turning off potential renters. It is better for the landlord to lead with a smaller rent and tack on charges.

Same business model for restaurants (rely on tips which are not part of the price you see on the menu) and budget airlines.

Re: New rental trend? A $200 'work-from-home fee' tacked on to Bay Area lease

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>then you'll probably run the AC for way longer than if you went to the office 5 days a week for at least 6 hours each day, you'll user more internet and/or we might need a higher speed internet/bandwidth, you'll use more power, etc. This also covers adult children playing games all day, or a variety of other situations. Seems weird to single out work from home.

The point I think the landlords are trying to make is that if you spend majority of your time at home, they assume (expect) the utilities to be higher. Keep in mind this is a 1 bedroom ADA and so they’re probably targeting a specific type of tenant.

I think the point being made is how this is different from stay-at-home parents? I would also add another example: home-bound elderly or disabled people? Is it acceptable to charge those categories a different rate, given the reasoning being applied is simply “being home more”?

Re: New rental trend? A $200 'work-from-home fee' tacked on to Bay Area lease

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>then you'll probably run the AC for way longer than if you went to the office 5 days a week for at least 6 hours each day, you'll user more internet and/or we might need a higher speed internet/bandwidth, you'll use more power, etc. This also covers adult children playing games all day, or a variety of other situations. Seems weird to single out work from home.

The point I think the landlords are trying to make is that if you spend majority of your time at home, they assume (expect) the utilities to be higher. Keep in mind this is a 1 bedroom ADA and so they’re probably targeting a specific type of tenant.

IF you are worried someones using too much of the utility bill, find a more equitable way to split it. Flat rate + a massive jump implies that the bills are potentially profit generation for the landlord. Targeting workers makes it seem like its targeting those who are known to be able to pay.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who pays per byte for internet?! The other points are well made, though. The lesson, I suppose: bills included is a bad idea. The incentives are misaligned all round.

Some Internet providers have different rates for different capacities/bandwidth. Last time I used COMCAST, their wizard walked you through different use-cases and you got different packages based on the type of stuff you said you used it for.

Comcast is a poor example, and a wizard asking "do you game, you need 1Gb!". Lol
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