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Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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I think distillation is inevitable and pretty hard to prevent but I also dunno why anyone would spend billions to train frontier models if there's enough distillation going on to get near it with much lower spend.

Oh, you mean not commit fraud? Why would any respectable company do that?

Except this is not fraud. And just because a company _really_ wants to make a trillion dollar valuation doesn't mean they get to invent a new type of fraud.

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A little bit of explaining does to. What’s your point?

People shouldn't have to explain that "Little Tech Association" is a proper noun and therefore its own entity. Learn how words work, bro.

Yes I understand it’s a proper noun.

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I didn't say "Both sides are the same". I said both candidates were morons. As far as terms, I don't like really like either side we have on the menu right now.

Potato, potahto. Your comment is indistinguishable from a "both sides are the same" argument.

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I‘m not even sure what the argument for banning Chinese models/open weights even is supposed to be? 1. if it’s to stop hackers doing hacking things with „uncontrollable models“ then, well… they’re already doing something illegal to begin with, why would they care about breaking another law running these models? 2. if it’s to stop foreign actors, then that ban would not apply to them anyway 3. it’s not stopping distil…

There is no coherent reasoning here for banning open weights. The billion of dollars to train a model was supposed to be a moat so they can sell tokens. AI labs can't make money by capturing values from intelligence if any company could get the weights to build their own AI token factory.

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I'd say if I have to chose between a moron and a corrupt moron, I'd say let the whole thing collapse. The "world burning" because one of the two parties can't get elected is a bunch of bs. The whole thing is a sham and trying to get people to vote because the other party is worse just shows how bad you are.

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The other countries don't have cheap capital, cheap infra, or scale. The talent is not the bottleneck. Look at how many SV companies are helmed by Indian executives. If the Europeans cared an iota about AI progress, Huggingface wouldn't have been headquartered in NYC.

Europe doesn't want to be a superpower it already done that and it's really not worth it.

Sure buddy, they gave it up because it was not worth it.

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I‘m not even sure what the argument for banning Chinese models/open weights even is supposed to be? 1. if it’s to stop hackers doing hacking things with „uncontrollable models“ then, well… they’re already doing something illegal to begin with, why would they care about breaking another law running these models? 2. if it’s to stop foreign actors, then that ban would not apply to them anyway 3. it’s not stopping distil…

answer to #1: murder is already illegal, but we also heavily regulate explosives because the public can't be trusted.

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I didn't say "Both sides are the same". I said both candidates were morons. As far as terms, I don't like really like either side we have on the menu right now.

Biden may have been a senile fool in 2025, but he was smart enough to listen to people who knew their ass from their elbow.

And to also not burn down the furniture to 'own' his political enemies.

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I‘m not even sure what the argument for banning Chinese models/open weights even is supposed to be? 1. if it’s to stop hackers doing hacking things with „uncontrollable models“ then, well… they’re already doing something illegal to begin with, why would they care about breaking another law running these models? 2. if it’s to stop foreign actors, then that ban would not apply to them anyway 3. it’s not stopping distil…

They dont want dollars that could be used to grow US frontier labs to fund Chinese instead

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One question here: Why you don't see a lot of good American open weight models on the market? I'm guess it's about money? Could there be ways to lower that cost? Sharing idle GPUs through network (like Folding@home, BOINC), open and fair market for training data, open source training framework, and such?

This whole Chinese AI thing makes me giggle at these American AI companies, but the ultimate solution/long-term goal is still to make the technology universal. I don't think China alone can make it happen.

Also, if Americans can too offer open weight models, that could change the logic of their laws, making it more open rather than protective.

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