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Re: Writing fingerprint analysis of responses reveals Kimi's similarity to Claude

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Yes. I bet Moonshot paid for API access as opposed to pirating like Anthropic did.

I understand you think Anthropic should have paid for the information it trained the models on. But im talking about all the costs to build a model. Do you think Anthropic didnt spend money to build these models? Did you not know that its actually very expensive?

Moonshot pay for access at the price point Anthropic sees fit, potentially more, since they likely had to jump through multiple hoops?

It's hard to feel sorry about the breach of their ToS, which ultimately is all Anthropic can argue, when they are constantly being sued by countless IP owners

Re: Writing fingerprint analysis of responses reveals Kimi's similarity to Claude

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So what? If training on copyrighted data without authors consent is ok then distilling is ok as well.

Maybe both are ok. Maybe neither. Maybe one. The point is this does not follow >If training on copyrighted data without authors consent is ok then distilling is ok as well. Because building a model from distillation and building a model from raw data are not the same. You have to evaluate them independently. And legally its different as well. IP vs ToS (civil).

No, it follows because the AI labs can at best argue that some copyright over the model output was broken.

They can hardly successfully sue a rival for breaking ToS.

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