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Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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Post by stale2002 »

spwa4 wrote: post #489
jnovek wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I make Bambi 2 and toss it up on YouTube I’m going to be sued by Disney for a wide variety of intellectual property violations, it doesn’t matter if I make it by hand or via an LLM. Nothing has changed for big organizations with a legal team.

Sued ... of course. But what will they claim? The courts have declared that training an LLM on copyrighted data and then having it produce anything DOES NOT make a derivative for the purposes of copyright. That it is fully owned by the person who used the LLM and zero licenses are needed to sell it, rent it out, or whatever.

> But what will they claim?

Copyright infringement obviously.

> DOES NOT make a derivative for the purposes of copyright

Or maybe you have misunderstood the ruling and thats why the stocks of these companies hasn't plunged.

Seeing as your prediction completely failed, it seems way more likely that actually you just misunderstood the ruling.

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Post by hapticmonkey »

andai wrote: post #23

Don't model weights fall under free speech?

This is the administration that got close to getting the Supreme Court overturning the pretty clear wording of the 14th amendment. Do you think they care about the 1st?

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Post by ch4s3 »

senordevnyc wrote: post #593
lowbloodsugar wrote: post #518

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I mean, everything you just said is trivially refutable with just Google. FRED data isn’t the governments unemployment figures. FRED data relies on people to self report their side gigs that they aren’t paying taxes on? It is a known gap.

Ah. So you’re fine with sources, but just the ones that support your position.

My source of is FRED, the other poster is just wrong about FRED data.

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Post by syradar »

claw-el wrote: post #663
andix wrote: post #583

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Just declare it illegal (national security risks). Treat it like sexual abuse material, scan cloud services for copies, and jail everyone who has them.

Have you seen my latest model, called HLM, from y.ai, there is one single model weight that is different from the popular open source model, but I promise you it is no longer the same thing..

That wouldn’t hold up in court and you would be jailed. Your intent is still to provide the illegal model.

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Post by SamuelAdams »

claw-el wrote: post #663
andix wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just declare it illegal (national security risks). Treat it like sexual abuse material, scan cloud services for copies, and jail everyone who has them.

Have you seen my latest model, called HLM, from y.ai, there is one single model weight that is different from the popular open source model, but I promise you it is no longer the same thing..

You jest but this is exactly how Anna’s Archive was set up. Anyone can copy the infrastructure code’s git repository and set up a mirror of the site and trackers under a new domain relatively quickly.

Maybe a similar setup can be done for banned AI weights?

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

I've heard of Fully Automated Luxury Communism as an alternative economic model.

The idea is machines do most work and humans don't work unless they actually want to. Supposedly everyone lives luxury lives of abundance with lots of free time.

I'd only accept something like that if the people actually retained control at all levels, not the government.

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Post by andix »

claw-el wrote: post #663
andix wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just declare it illegal (national security risks). Treat it like sexual abuse material, scan cloud services for copies, and jail everyone who has them.

Have you seen my latest model, called HLM, from y.ai, there is one single model weight that is different from the popular open source model, but I promise you it is no longer the same thing..

Does it have a valid signature from xAI? No? Busted!

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Post by HDBaseT »

cmiles74 wrote: post #601

Oh man, if you weren't sure if the administration is staffed with people who do not understand the technology they are trying to manage, doubt no more! From the article... Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said Tuesday on Fox Business’ “Mornings with Maria” that the administration would investigate whether Chinese artificial intelligence companies had improperly distilled American models to power their own, saying tha…

The US should ban Anthropic and OpenAI as they also engaged in intellectual property theft.

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Post by Dig1t »

capevace wrote: post #350

I‘m not even sure what the argument for banning Chinese models/open weights even is supposed to be? 1. if it’s to stop hackers doing hacking things with „uncontrollable models“ then, well… they’re already doing something illegal to begin with, why would they care about breaking another law running these models? 2. if it’s to stop foreign actors, then that ban would not apply to them anyway 3. it’s not stopping distil…

How would banning them even work anyway? Like would they say that possession of one on your computer would somehow be illegal?

There’s nothing the US gov can do to stop a Chinese company publishing the weights on a server hosted in China.

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Post by [deleted] »

runako wrote: post #651
gpt5 wrote: post #636

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The argument is - these models costs hundreds of billions to develop - to BOTH US and China. China is giving them for free despite not making financial sense because they want to weaken US's tech firms ability to compete - because China sees AI dominance as critical for their national security. The US also sees AI dominance as critical for their national security, and relies on a market economy and non-state-owned la…

> China is giving them for free despite not making financial sense because they want to weaken US's tech firms ability to compete - because China sees AI dominance as critical for their national security. Nobody is making this argument because this is a normal thing that companies do. It's so common it is named in business strategy: "commoditize your complements." There's a 2002 Joel On Software post explaining this…

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