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DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by Legend2440 »

ACCount37 wrote: post #172
exe34 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because the AI got them into a dangerous situation.

That's straight up a lie. In all situations where autopilot was disengaged shortly before a crash, the autopilot is implicated in the crash. Both by Tesla's own standards and by NHTSA standards. And yet, people who really should know better repeat this as gospel.

Tesla is such a politically-charged brand at this point that none of these discussions are in good faith. It's all fanboys vs haters.

The lidar vs cameras arguments are good example of this. This is a technical engineering question that could go either way - maybe cameras are good enough, maybe you need lidar, nobody on the internet is really in a position to judge.

But Tesla did it with cameras, and everybody else is doing it with lidar. Therefore to Elon fanboys that's the smart way to do it; and to Elon haters that's the stupidest possible way to do it. And they'll make it part of their political identity and spend thousands of pages arguing about it.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by benoau »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line on August 4, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

What they really got wrong, is that there aren't even enough missiles, ammunition or fuel production to defeat a country that has been sanctioned for decades and these bottlenecks would make it trivial for humanity to prevail over AI, it'd be like Futurama "for unknown reasons, a kill limit of 999,999 is hardcoded into killbots...".

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by olyjohn »

JanNash wrote: post #117
bigfishrunning wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Boston Dynamics. And Tesla. And Honda. Lots of people are building humanoid robots.

This was likely written sarcastically by the original commenter (throw...). Please termimate sarcasm with /s, not everyone is able to read the subtext. Cheers.

I dunno, the /s kinda ruins it sometimes.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by ungreased0675 »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #101

So, it's a drone with uncessercary baggage such life support and a pilot that can't stand the Gs well. For some reason I am reminded of Dark Star :-)

Perhaps counterintuitively, the human is not the weak link when maneuverability is concerned. The airframe is. Pilots regularly fly right at the airframe limits, sometimes a little bit over.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by laughing_man »

sandworm101 wrote: post #177
SoftTalker wrote: post #22

> The kit utilizes a novel interface with the aircraft’s flight controls and mission systems, allowing a pilot to toggle between traditional human control and AI control with the flip of a switch. This ensures a safe, reliable environment for human-on-the-loop experimentation. How, exactly, does that ensure a safe reliable environment? Humans are pretty bad at suddenly taking over when an automatic system reaches its…

Flying is not driving. Things dont happen as quickly. Kids dont step out in front of jets at 30,000 feet. Air is also homogenous. Pavement is not. Whereas a car must turn or die, a jet can generally fly straight and level without issue while problems get solved. An out-of-control car has maybe three seconds before a collision. A jet will generally have over a minute to get back under control. Sure, there are moments.…

Buy the same token, your car's autopilot can't kill you without even hitting something by making a turn that's too sharp.

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Post by ungreased0675 »

Hikikomori wrote: post #140
bluGill wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't call nation building a failure. It made significant progress.

Some nation building occurred, but mostly corruption. This was after the first war where they deliberately destroyed civilian infrastructure like power plants, water treatment plants, hospitals and such to create a failed nation. A country that was one of the most modern and developed middle eastern countries before the war.

Yeah, that didn’t happen.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by ozim »

nostrademons wrote: post #154
asdfman123 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Updated to reflect modern realities: > In a panic, they try to pull the plug. Skynet lobbyists descend upon Washington. Skynet is reinstated, and later the US declares a new war in the middle east. The Skynet stock rallies.

> The Skynet stock rallies. Interestingly, a lot of people are looking at LLMs or automated drones as "AI", but I think that capitalism is a better contender. It's a self-healing, self-organizing system that has its own logic and seems to have escaped the desires of its human creators. It treats individual firms as the cells within it, individual humans as its DNA molecules, and it even has a form of tissue different…

But we already embraced this way of thinking since introduction of „corporate personhood”.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by cco »

SoftTalker wrote: post #22

> The kit utilizes a novel interface with the aircraft’s flight controls and mission systems, allowing a pilot to toggle between traditional human control and AI control with the flip of a switch. This ensures a safe, reliable environment for human-on-the-loop experimentation. How, exactly, does that ensure a safe reliable environment? Humans are pretty bad at suddenly taking over when an automatic system reaches its…

The switch is not novel, that is in fact exactly how autopilot works for any aircraft. The pilot toggles it on and off and the autopilot itself may turn itself off if certain situations occur.

To your point, that isn't without problems, but it certainly isn't novel. It is very standard and boring.

I would bet this is pure marketing speak and there really isn't anything special here. "Follow this flight plan and do so within this flight envelope" is pretty straightforward?

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