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DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by beezlewax »

Hikikomori wrote: post #147
1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line on August 4, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

We almost had it in the 50s when US airforce wanted to build a completely automatic nuclear response system that would launch on warning, or if a glitch happened, without failsafes built in.

Isn't that the plot of Dr. Strangelove?

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by reactordev »

adrian_b wrote: post #57
reactordev wrote: post #32

This is a huge waste of resources. F-16s were designed for humans. You can get MUCH better results designing the airframe around the lack of one.

As another poster already said, building new F-16s would be a waste of resources, but using the old existing F-16s by automating them is likely to be a better use of the existing resources, instead of scraping them. This also allows to gain experience that might be useful for designing the future unmanned airframes.

That’s true, use em up while you got em.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by nostrademons »

asdfman123 wrote: post #108
1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line on August 4, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

Updated to reflect modern realities: > In a panic, they try to pull the plug. Skynet lobbyists descend upon Washington. Skynet is reinstated, and later the US declares a new war in the middle east. The Skynet stock rallies.

> The Skynet stock rallies.

Interestingly, a lot of people are looking at LLMs or automated drones as "AI", but I think that capitalism is a better contender. It's a self-healing, self-organizing system that has its own logic and seems to have escaped the desires of its human creators. It treats individual firms as the cells within it, individual humans as its DNA molecules, and it even has a form of tissue differentiation via industries. All efforts to shut it off, even through widespread warfare and "tissue" (i.e. human) death, fail, resulting in it becoming even more entrenched.

There's this heavily anthropocentric idea of intelligence that it will look like us, talk like us, and operate on the same scale as us, but it's highly likely that the next layer of intelligence will operate on a much higher level than us, and our intelligence will be to it as DNA replication is to ourselves.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by rgblambda »

rwmj wrote: post #141
nradov wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are going to be experienced test pilots who are pretty good at actively managing autopilots and other automated systems. Plus they'll be backed up by telemetry to ground controllers. But ultimately the military is willing to accept some losses in order to advance key R&D programs.

Later they'll replace them with minimum wage safety pilots.

Or outsource to a pilot procurement company in China.

There is precedent after all: https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-tech-support-go...

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by jryle70 »

seydor wrote: post #3

Sounds like a very expensive drone

Do you know how many F16s the US has? They essentially modify aircrafts near the end of their life cycle, adding automate kits. Such a jet is less expensive than new drone and can do more -- fly higher, faster, more complex profiles. They also rarely fly compared to other aircrafts in active duties, manned or unmanned.

This article describes similar modification:

https://www.tyndall.af.mil/News/Features/Display/Article/276...

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by smackeyacky »

XorNot wrote: post #150
smackeyacky wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not when you consider the cost per hour of flight. You want a wingman you’re better off with cheap, cheap to run and disposable

No aircraft which can fulfill the CCA type role is going to be "disposable". All the systems in that performance bracket are in the 20-40 million range minimum. The most persistent thing misunderstanding about drones is people imagining that a supersonic capable stealth airframe is going to be really cheap just because it doesn't have a pilot.

Still, the F16 is 16 hours of maintenance per hour of flight or something close to that. Which probably isn’t terrible compared to other aircraft but doesn’t seem sensible for something without aircrew

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by murderfs »

beezlewax wrote: post #151
Hikikomori wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We almost had it in the 50s when US airforce wanted to build a completely automatic nuclear response system that would launch on warning, or if a glitch happened, without failsafes built in.

Isn't that the plot of Dr. Strangelove?

The Soviet Union built it in real life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by hyperhello »

bloqs wrote: post #58
1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line on August 4, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

I read this in Linda Hamiltons voice

It’s Schwarzenegger’s line actually.
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