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OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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> model welfare I shouldn't get in arguments about this stuff online, but have you actually sat down and thought about this in-depth? It's pretty normal to have a gut reaction that this is insane, but it's worth thinking about. If we replaced every neuron in your brain, one by one, with a silicon equivalent, would you stop being conscious? At what point? Would you be able to tell? If yes, what about if we took those…

>> If we replaced every neuron in your brain, one by one, with a silicon equivalent, would you stop being conscious? If we put your brain in a jar, would you be a person? Would you have normal consciousness? Honestly I don't know and I am not the person to ask. But the brain is just a computer metaphor has flaws, particularly when you take account how poorly the brain is understood.

>>If we put your brain in a jar, would you be a person?

This is very close to the question : Would you still be a person if your arms and legs were amputated, and you could not communicate.

I would hope you would see that the answer is : Of course you would be

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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And to think I got warned in another post that I need to be nicer/more professional in discussing this topic. Yeah. Nah. Bringing out the same drum I’ve been banging for years now , these companies have never actually cared about ensuring safe AI, regulation, or ensuring it benefits all humanity. It has always, always , been about control and their profit margins. Their actions have never reflected any sort of positi…

Warned by YComb? I got something similar when discussing Flock. Tech companies, in the end of the day, will stand together to suppress dissent under the guise of anything nearing plausible deniability.

I think it's more about keeping this forum one of the few places where you can have open minded conversations that don't delve into hivemind guided flamewars. Granted, I don't know what got warned or the reason.

Anything approaching nuance on other forums gets downvoted to oblivion and attacked if it doesn't fit the particular echo chamber it's in. That just reinforces the echo chamber. HN has to do quite a bit to preserve the culture and keep it from devolving into something like those other places.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Am I the only one that finds the "laissez faire" attitude of the tech crowd insufferable? There is this chronic refusal to believe that new technologies can cause harm. My team works on testing risks from both companies' leading models and I feel pretty confident saying that uncensored next gen models becoming "open" would be a net negative for society. I don't understand why no narrative regarding the risks of techn…

> I feel pretty confident saying that uncensored next gen models becoming "open" would be a net negative for society.

Explain it, please.

I'm in the tech crowd, and I find your inability to explain the danger insufferable and infantilizing. I get a real laugh out of people that hand-wring without being able to articulate what the dangers actually are. I'm not emotionally inclined to identify with your hysteria, and I'm not mentally inclined to respect your authority without seeing the logic you use to derive this conclusion. So you're directly contributing to the attitude that annoys you by demanding respect from a position of emotional dejection rather than substance and authority on the subject.

Remember GPT-3? Yeah, it was "too dangerous" and could have made bio-weapons or super-nukes or whatever. At least, in theory it could, according to the diligent, world-class "researchers" at OpenAI. Oh, and when GPT-4 came out with the ominous "sparks of AGI" that would be used for precious little besides MCP servers and agentic tool calling. Still no AI-nuke being made yet. GLM 5.2 can whistle Daisy into a payphone and launch ICBMs! Fable is going to hack the banks!!! We get access for a month, and society is fine. How often this "research" insults the intelligence of ordinary people, let alone the tech crowd at large. You must expect us all to have the memory of a goldfish, huh?

You're Chicken Little. You're the boy crying wolf. You want us to actually see the danger? Take us to it and make it personal, rub our noses in it. Your disappointment is your own fault.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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> This sort of thinking is what gets us into a world where journalists get bonesawed Journalists get bonesawed because of an abuse of the concentration of power, which is what you're directly advocating for.

The concentration of power is there either way, giving everyone a zero day button does nothing but create chaos and disarray.

We already gave everyone a zero-day button. Zero days are being discovered for Windows, macOS and Linux on a weekly or sometimes daily basis.

The result has been more proactive and informed OS security with a higher turnover rate for discovering, disclosing and patching new bugs. The market for creating zero-days has cratered and left talented malware developers without a cornered market. Frontier, uncensored LLMs like GLM 5.2 are proving instrumental in responding to cutting-edge adversaries.

Your theory does not hold up in practice and cannot be meaningfully extrapolated to more advanced AI.

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Interestingly, Apple will Sherlock the pants off of OpenAI and Anthropic once they release Siri+. At least for B2C.

I keep seeing people using Sherlock as a verb and I fear I am not hanging around in the same Twitter circles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_(software)#Sherlock_a...

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Why should some unelected US-based technocrats with a terrible track record get to decide for us?

Are we pretending the HN crowd does not echo the view of "US-based technocrats?" This is a distilled (ha) echo chamber of SV VC's views, who are coincidentally pushing the same narrative.

Yes, because starry-eyed entrepreneurs, C-suites and engineers famously lack the calculated sociopathy that enables VCs and CEOs to be so successful.

The average Palantir employee is not reading Alex Karp's press junkets and going "Wow! Couldn't have said it better myself." Most of them are probably closing the news app to check the stock market as their first reaction. You conflate these two people to your own peril.

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It is ridiculous that OpenAI is a non-profit and Anthropic is a PBC, yet both actively resist open access to AI. This hinders human progress rather than serving it.

OpenAI is currently a PBC that metastasized out of the original nonprofit also called OpenAI which owns 26% of that PBC. But yes, it is ridiculous.

OpenAI isn't non-profit, they just don't have one yet caz everything is spent on training

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Was it really "designed to incentivize" anything? Or was it introduced to protect a powerful, influential business model? Looking at how laws are passed now, I know which explanation I find more congruent.

It's literally in the constitution: > [the United States Congress shall have power] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause

It literally predates the United States Constitution by hundreds of years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright

Also, I'd be careful at taking the reasoning of political documents at face value. Many items in the Constitution are post-hoc, Lockeian/liberal justifications for a social order that was in fact largely copied over wholesale from English parliamentary monarchy, with surprisingly few tweaks.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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The comments on this article are terrible. I can't believe it's gotten this toxic around here.

The implications of the article are terrible. You're on a website where 99% of entrepreneurs owe their livelihoods to Open Source; put 2 and 2 together.

  Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

  Sid Meier

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Was it really "designed to incentivize" anything? Or was it introduced to protect a powerful, influential business model? Looking at how laws are passed now, I know which explanation I find more congruent.

I think the expansion of terms over time is a bit damning, but originally the term was very pro-public-domain (sometimes as low as 7 years): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright#/media/Fi...

I think we have to consider the origin of it as a concept, which predates the United States entirely and is quite a lot more damning. From the same Wikipedia page you linked:

"The first copyright privilege in England bears date 1518 and was issued to Richard Pynson, King's Printer, the successor to William Caxton. The privilege gives a monopoly for the term of two years. The date is 15 years later than that of the first privilege issued in France. Early copyright privileges were called "monopolies," particularly during the reign of Queen Elizabeth, who frequently gave grants of monopolies in articles of common use, such as salt, leather, coal, soap, cards, beer, and wine. The practice was continued until the Statute of Monopolies was enacted in 1623, ending most monopolies, with certain exceptions, such as patents; after 1623, grants of letters patent to publishers became common...

As the "menace" of printing spread, governments established centralized control mechanisms,[19] and in 1557 the English Crown thought to stem the flow of seditious and heretical books by chartering the Stationers' Company. The right to print was limited to the members of that guild, and thirty years later the Star Chamber was chartered to curtail the "greate enormities and abuses" of "dyvers contentyous and disorderlye persons professinge the arte or mystere of pryntinge or selling of books." The right to print was restricted to two universities and to the 21 existing printers in the city of London, which had 53 printing presses. The French crown also repressed printing, and printer Etienne Dolet was burned at the stake in 1546. As the English took control of type founding in 1637, printers fled to the Netherlands. Confrontation with authority made printers radical and rebellious, and 800 authors, printers and book dealers were incarcerated in the Bastille before it was stormed in 1789.[19]"

So, to summarize: the principle of copyright came from monarchic economic protectionism and censorship. I will freely admit I didn't know this piece of history before this thread - I simply predicted it, correctly, from first principles.

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