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The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by cookiecaper »

foobarqux wrote: post #119
whiteymj wrote: post #107

Move the site to TOR and let digital copyright enforcement cops try to figure that one out. All they can do it push it completely underground and once the site is on TOR they have zero recourse or means to track down the operator.

Do not do this. The Tor network cannot handle that kind of traffic.

The site is just text transmission, like torrents. Your connection to the news server would not have to be piped over Tor, just your access to the web interface where you download text files telling your news client what to download.

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by ubernostrum »

shelf wrote: post #116
ubernostrum wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "safe harbor" includes more requirements than responding to take-down requests. In particular, the service provider must "not have actual knowledge that the material or an activity using the material on the system or network is infringing", and "in the absence of such actual knowledge, is not aware of facts or circumstances from which infringing activity is apparent". In other words, though you don't have an acti…

I was commenting on this sentence, in particular: >Once this notice is completed we are left with an impossible task of policing our indexing bots. Even then it won't stop there, there will be follow-up notices etc. This seems to me like they're being told to actively police automatically-indexed content after this notice is processed? I'm not sure how provable that 'knowledge of infringement' clause is.

"knowledge of infringement" basically boils down to "you know damn well what you're running here". It's not that every site operator has to actively police every single submission for possible infringement; it's that if even a ten-second glance at your service reveals obvious massive presence of infringing content, you don't get to pull the "well, gosh, we never knew" and claim safe harbor (this is the "is not aware of facts or circumstances from which infringing activity is apparent" clause).

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by reservate »

StavrosK wrote: post #11
spdy wrote: post #8

Coupled with this is problems with payment providers, we have been through pretty much everyone out there, in the end they all pull out. Here lies the real problem

These guys could benefit from BitCoin, if it were ubiquitous. Too bad...

Is there a bitcoin only indexer out there?

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by chiefsucker »

tptacek wrote: post #96
thechut wrote: post #90

This is a major blow to usenet. But more importantly this could be the start fo something very very bad for usenet. It, and it's users of who I am sure there are plenty on HN, have so far been able to fly under the anti-piracy radar of the big media companies. This clearly demonstrates that they know exactly what is going on, and may be on the war path to shut down more indexes and search engines.

Nauseating. Piracy killed the real Usenet, and now pirates are upset that enforcement is killing the goofy little playground they built inside its corpse. When I was 18, I ran a competitive (on the Freenix leaderboard) full-feed Usenet server for the ISP I worked at. Every ISP in the world could have provided full-feed Usenet access, but for the assholes who loaded the system down with ASCII-encoded binaries. Even wh…

That’s just one side of the coin, though. While the binary tree played a role in the ”death” of the Usenet, services like AOL played another major role. Companies tried to make the internet more comprehensible for the average user and invented forms of communication that they thought of would be understandable by the masses and easier to sell (remember those pesky ”You’ve mail” AOL ads?).

Furthermore I don’t think it’s true that the Usenet is dead. There are still some active groups that rely on it. It’s just that there’s so much more these days. There are several social services competing with each other, there are a lot of web sites that let you discuss about things and are targeting specific niches.

Usenet wasn’t killed, it’s natural progress.

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by xer0x »

xer0x wrote: post #95

Such disappointing news compounds last weeks troubles. When nzbs'r'us shutdown over similar payment problems. Payment is a huge achilles heel for these services. Blocking payments was used to hurt WikiLeaks, and Dutch usenet providers have recently lost the ability to use paypal for payments too. A popular bitcoin-esque service can't happen soon enough. http://usenetreviewz.com/dutch-usenet-providers-banned-by-pa...

I like that Europe scolded visa for stopping payments to wikileaks, but that is unlikely to ever happen for anything piracy related.

http://falkvinge.net/2012/11/20/europarliament-scolds-visa-m...

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by dsl »

cookiecaper wrote: post #36

Would be nice if they would a) publish their code and b) upload their nzb database on Pirate Bay. Would make it much easier for someone to pick up the torch.

NZBs die pretty quickly, so a back catalog wouldn't be that useful. They even mention on the website that content is getting taken down faster than NZBs can be updated.

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by dsl »

jonny_eh wrote: post #108
cookiecaper wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torrents aren't really safe or unsafe, it's mostly about the quality of the trackers you use. There are some OK cultivated communities out there, but the worry over ratio and constant leech on one's upload stream is a real bummer when you can just purchasing blocks from a news server and not have to worry about it. A seedbox is way more expensive than a news account and usually comes with quotas which one must mind.…

Wouldn't connecting via a VPN sufficiently hide your tracks from the secret squirrels?

No. You should watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XaYdCdwiWU

Re: The End: NZBMatrix closes

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Post by cyansmoker »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #98
tptacek wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nauseating. Piracy killed the real Usenet, and now pirates are upset that enforcement is killing the goofy little playground they built inside its corpse. When I was 18, I ran a competitive (on the Freenix leaderboard) full-feed Usenet server for the ISP I worked at. Every ISP in the world could have provided full-feed Usenet access, but for the assholes who loaded the system down with ASCII-encoded binaries. Even wh…

I like the imagery. So I am chuckling at the idea that some young guns who want to be "free" to do what ever they want in their network of computers to come up with a scheme where they are will use telephones to call up one computer to the next, and addressing will be free form a series of "hops" where you tell the computer what sequence of machines will have to be called in order to get your message from you to your…

I see what you did there.
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