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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by tosti »

mcv wrote: post #86
Aachen wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of yeah! I got used to it by now. At the local hackerspace we have a voorzitter, penningmeester, and secretaris -> president, treasurer, and secretary I think would be the English terms. All sounding fancy and together they're the board. But they don't dress up or anything, it's just terms that are commonplace for small organisations here, in Germany (like with Codeberg) as in the Netherlands (like our hackerspa…

That's normal for any "vereniging", "Verein", union or association. My VVE (HOA) has that too. So did both of the student unions I've been a member of. There are organisations for playing games that have the same structure. As soon as you've got any kind of money or responsibility involved, you need some governance structure, or you're just giving your money to some guy.

And the complexity of the governance structure is related to the amount of money involved.

The weirdest thing is when the money of a non-profit NGO exceeds roughly 10e6, the decisions made by upper management tend to make an inversionally proportionate amount of sense. Reason being, it's not their money to spend.

Took me a while to figure this out but now it's everywhere.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by veganmosfet »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #78

> Using LLMs to work with your code gives you a kick of adrenaline. You can develop at a rapid pace, build things as if you had a large team. Only that you have none. In fact, you are (often) alone, working with a statistical machine that turns energy into code. Is anyone else extremely annoyed with the way this is written? To me it reeks of paternalistic arrogance that simultaneously exposes the author's armchair ps…

yes, I am also disappointed by this arrogance.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by charlie-83 »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #72

I'm still undecided if I want to self host either gitea or forgejo. Can someone who used both or is particularly experienced with one of them tell me which project to settle with? Most comparisons I found were all written with someone who didn't seem all that ideologically neutral on the matter. To my understanding forgejo (the gitea fork) is run by the people behind Codeberg whereas Codeberg is running a customised…

(Disclaimer: I use Gitea daily for work and Codeberg daily for personal stuff. I prefer Codeberg)

Gitea is developed by a for-profit organisation while Forgejo is developed by a non-profit.

Ability for rug pull is much greater for gitea imo. Gitea (organisation) already develops non-foss software to sit on top of Gitea (software). Gitea requires copyright attributions for contributions so is more able to change the Gitea license to something non-free in the future.

Codeberg can make up whatever rules they want for their Forgjo instance but you can do what you like on your self-hosted instance so I dont think that the governance of codeberg should concerning for self-hosting.

If Forgejo somehow enshittified, I would expect a popular fork immediately. If Gitea enshittified, I expect most people who would have forked already went to forgejo

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by jasonvorhe »

rmast wrote: post #50

I’d been thinking maybe I should move some projects from GitHub to Codeberg… but this change has a chilling effect since now whoever is making the LLM-generated decision might arbitrarily decide to ban a project based on undefined criteria, like say an em dash in a README — so projects hosted there are not in any way safe from just disappearing. To be honest though, I don’t know what happens when something gets banne…

That project just disappearing from your mind is probably for the better. If it was a company doing such an activist rug pull, you probably wouldn't want to deal with them either. That's probably just intuition telling you something.

They could've found so many more legitimate reasons for not wanting pure vibe code on their platform (load, resource constraints, github's uptime since AI assistance became mainstream, etc) but they chose the virtue signalling path instead.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by jasonvorhe »

vintagedave wrote: post #18

The most insightful part is: > [From CodeBerg] It seems like many ‘vibe coders’ don’t realize that they don’t actually have a community around them. > This is out of touch with how most free software gets made. The majority of FOSS developers are one-man-shows Yes! And LLMs can be valuable to solo devs! > The decisions did go through Codeberg’s own Assembly 2026, which is more process than most platforms bother with,…

When I read this quote I also had to think of this tante person on Mastodon urging their thousands of followers to vote for a certain thing. If one actor like this can possibly impact a small community this way, I'm on the cautious to sceptical side about that community project's future.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by jasonvorhe »

invictati wrote: post #60
ctoth wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> TL;DR: AI assisted coding, when used responsibly, is not banned, however one-shotting something via vibe-coding and hosting it as a complete project, is. On Tuesday I was working on my Braille 'N Speak emulator[0], an ancient Z180-based accessible notetaker for the blind. I wanted a z180 emulation library that wasn't z180-emu (GPL) and that I could use on the web via wasm, on my phone, and would have a Python bindi…

It's about control. It's always been about control. The moderators of this project would happily throw you under the bus if you ever in any way displeased them while being an AI user.

I think this is the main drive behind this. Make it easier to get rid of people you don't like/don't welcome on your platform without making it explicit, because that could surface some biases of theirs.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by pseudalopex »

nozzlegear wrote: post #90
throwaway89201 wrote: post #80

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Nobody is LARPing an Eingetragener Verein , they're just being one, and the law requires them to have a board and presidium. As they got hundreds of votes on the issue, that means tens of thousands of euros in membership contributions. It doesn't seem unreasonable to want to create a legal entity for that, and an e.V. is easier to set up in the beginning (although it can lead to a lot of drama later).

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You are American? American non profit associations must have officers and a board of directors.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by kps »

nozzlegear wrote: post #90
throwaway89201 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is LARPing an Eingetragener Verein , they're just being one, and the law requires them to have a board and presidium. As they got hundreds of votes on the issue, that means tens of thousands of euros in membership contributions. It doesn't seem unreasonable to want to create a legal entity for that, and an e.V. is easier to set up in the beginning (although it can lead to a lot of drama later).

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I have German background, so that was a genuine concern for me when I started using Codeberg 3 years ago. It's not a great surprise that they end up being more interested in rulemaking around FOSS hosting than in FOSS hosting itself.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by VariousPrograms »

kps wrote: post #36
anticorporate wrote: post #10

The author seems annoyed that Codeberg wants to focus on projects that have a legitimate contributor community and is not designed for one-off individual projects. I don't share that concern. It's not all that different from Mastodon instances. It's a community space, and the community gets to decide who they allow to use their resources. Personally, I have a group of friends who share a GitLab instance, for example.…

I moved my projects to Codeberg 3 years ago because it promoted itself as a host for FOSS, and I was starting to think that GitHub was not going to remain a dependable FOSS host. All of mine are one-man itch-scratching that I am willing to share with others. None so far contain any LLM-assisted work. A couple weeks ago I froze them, when https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48842611 came up. Not because of the LLM po…

Same, the vibe I got from Codeberg was "Kumbaya everyone, come build free software here away from The Man spying on you". According to many HN commenters today it was always meant for serious projects and they don't want to waste money hosting your hobby side projects.

They should consider removing the word "hobbyists" from their homepage to avoid confusion if that's the case. When I think of hobbyist programmers, it could be someone making the trillionth todo app or vim extension, not maintaining curl.

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