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DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by seizethecheese »

tyjen wrote: post #39

Human control in flight has often taken a backseat to automation. For example, the SR-71, built in the 60s flew too fast to rely on human decision making for several tasks. If they were off by a fraction of a second, they would miss their intended recon target; so, both the navigation and sensor control were largely automated. Seems odd to invest this much into AI flight of aircraft designed for manned flight, when i…

The Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe has a lot of interesting stuff on this wrt the first astronauts (who were sourced from test pilots). The test pilots saw the astronauts as second class citizens, at first, because they weren't actually doing any steering. Once the astronauts became famous, they started demanding more manual takeovers, which the engineers didn't want to build because it could only really hurt, but the engineers were forced to build them!

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Post by jerlam »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #110
thebeardisred wrote: post #100

The field demo I want to see, Human in the loop to failure switch over: Simulated failure of some form, where (for safety reasons) crew triggers ejection. This defaults the system to autonomous mode and the plane performs a safe landing.

Auto GCAS (Ground Collision Avoidance System) exists (pre-AI), although it is nowhere near as sophisticated as what you described. Similar type of idea though. If the pilot passes out during high-g maneuvers, the aircraft will pull up and bring the wings level until the pilot regains consciousness. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/autogcas.html

Autonomous landing systems do exist on the civilian side, and have been successfully used at least once.

Autoland saves King Air, everyone reported safe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46346214

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Post by gorjusborg »

Rover222 wrote: post #120
yellow_lead wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Tesla method! Disengage shortly before a crash. Now the human is responsible for it.

When in reality, most FSD tesla crashes in the headlines are when humans take over.

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by godwinson__4-8 »

a34729t wrote: post #98
bobthebob wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh what a great CIA campaign that would be to give the impression that U.S. military isn’t up to par - to motivate and trick our enemies into making stupid moves while we keep our true cards hidden. Such a crazy thought.

You say that, but that's literally a Russian conspiracy theory with Ukraine: The US baited Russia into thinking the US was weak because of Afghanistan, and then Russia got all ballsy and walked into Ukraine and it was a trap.

The joke is Russia has always been incompetent.

McCain was actually on the money in 2008. He was in the audience when Putin gave that famous "warning to the west" speech in Germany [1].

The quip that Russia is a "gas station with nuclear weapons" about sums it up. The United States being weak or not really has nothing to do with it. They counted on Zelensky cutting and running, the attempted decapitation of Kyiv failed. Russia is swirling the toilet. Without the energy reserves their oligarchs would be worthless. Since most of what is actually valuable about their country is land (where the resources sit) that is sparsely inhabited the end state of China controlling most of what is now Russia is inevitable. By failing in Europe and tying himself to China, Putin has ensured Russian power will continue to erode. Of course, it's not great for China, having to deal with two nuclear armed pariahs on their borders.

The United States is truly blessed simply by being two oceans away from anyone who could remotely challenge it. Properly understood, the Monroe (or "Donroe" doctrine) is less about foreign intervention and more an understanding that if a peer power ever emerged in the Western Hemisphere, most of what appears to make the United States singular would rapidly disappear.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ58Yv6kP44

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Post by exe34 »

Rover222 wrote: post #120
yellow_lead wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Tesla method! Disengage shortly before a crash. Now the human is responsible for it.

When in reality, most FSD tesla crashes in the headlines are when humans take over.

Yes, because the AI got them into a dangerous situation.

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Post by EA-3167 »

Zsfe510asG wrote: post #14

The article smells of AI psychosis. They are already "orchestrating". In the first Iraq war, they went in and won. In the second one, it took years to sort of occupy the country. Now they struggle against Iran and "orchestrate" F-16s that can be shot down instantly by AA weapons. Since COVID the world has collectively lost its mind.

I feel that, "Everyone else is mad" is a really big red flag for one's own mental health and emotional state, rather than an accurate rendition of reality.

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Post by sourdecor »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line on August 4, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

Nah, Allied Mastercomputer is too busy creating heaven and hell.

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Post by imglorp »

ben7799 wrote: post #25
SaltyBackendGuy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha - this was the first thing that came to mind. I read this in Arnold's voice.

I didn't read it in Arnold's voice till I saw your comment, so thank you.

Yeah it was Arnie's line briefing Linda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DQsG3TKQ0I

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Post by jrflowers »

bobthebob wrote: post #85
Zsfe510asG wrote: post #14

The article smells of AI psychosis. They are already "orchestrating". In the first Iraq war, they went in and won. In the second one, it took years to sort of occupy the country. Now they struggle against Iran and "orchestrate" F-16s that can be shot down instantly by AA weapons. Since COVID the world has collectively lost its mind.

Oh what a great CIA campaign that would be to give the impression that U.S. military isn’t up to par - to motivate and trick our enemies into making stupid moves while we keep our true cards hidden. Such a crazy thought.

*Losing war after war after war* victory! My beautiful cards… they remain a mystery
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