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Re: What happened to TheNumbers.com

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It feels like there is fundamentally missing infrastructure here that is needed to make these problems go away.

Basically bots need to be (somehow) paying for the traffic they create, or prevented from creating it, or told to go away and then fined if they violate the request. No idea how to do these or even at what level in the stack they should happen, but they need to happen eventually somehow.

Re: What happened to TheNumbers.com

#72

A couple years ago, I was running a website which allowed the public to view all the US government handouts to small businesses during the COVID-19 pandemic. It also tracked all the fraudulent loans being prosecuted by the DOJ, and allowed anyone to run structured queries over the public dataset. There was a "donate" button which took in ~$2k in donations over the lifetime of the site, and you could download the enti…

Building on AWS is a financial time bomb.

Are you not able to put limits on how much the site can spend?

Re: What happened to TheNumbers.com

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I open source as much software as I can because I want the models to train on it and get better at it!

I feel the same about my old blog articles. I used to rank pretty well trashing crappy credit cards and encouraging people to switch to better options, then Google decided that 10 results for the card issuers website was better. Same shit when I manually wrote proto-gethuman posts on calling telecoms/banks/etc (and also pushed visitors to try an Indy ISP or credit unions), then Google felt it was better to drive user…

Do you have any active sites or social media with your recommendations?

(I never publish my recommendations because they seem to complicated for people. Like using 30 GB plan/$10/monthly from T-Mobile for data and then using Tello for $10 plan for voice/text. This would require a 2 esim/sim card phone. I am currently using a Moto G Power 2024 phone from eBay $90/new, which was better than the $200 slightly used Pixel 6a from Swappa. Most people would just save the hassle, get a Galaxy phone with a phone contract.)

Re: What happened to TheNumbers.com

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post #71

It feels like there is fundamentally missing infrastructure here that is needed to make these problems go away. Basically bots need to be (somehow) paying for the traffic they create, or prevented from creating it, or told to go away and then fined if they violate the request. No idea how to do these or even at what level in the stack they should happen, but they need to happen eventually somehow.

Every website I visit could get a fraction of a cent in my Cloudflare Wallet. A human browsing incurs a few dollars a month. Plus, any website I access in this way decides not to show me ads either and just charges me the cost of serving the data plus a nominal profit margin.

Disclosure: I am a shareholder and would love for them to solve the AI bot problem and the ad problem like this.

Re: What happened to TheNumbers.com

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The crawlers would have still just hammered their site though, right?

I think the idea is that they could store the data in BigQuery, and point users of the site there.

Sure, but now you're moving the site from "Free data presented in a pleasant way to view" to a "pay-as-you-go database". Your audience shifts dramatically, and you lose the ability to share the data you're trying to present.

Re: What happened to TheNumbers.com

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"One Reddit theory even suggested it was a deliberate rug pull designed to cripple the free site to push people towards paid products." I know this isn't really the point of the article, but I've been thinking about this a lot. I wonder if we're going to see more resources go this way. I used to publish little doo-dads as opensource software. Not because it was something that was legitimately ground breaking or anyth…

> But now I'm really reluctant to give more stuff to the free web. I feel the same way too. But guess what, all the code you did not publish gets into the training corpus anyway (when you gave Codex or whatever full read access to your filesystem).

That's only if one is stupid enough to give an LLM access to their computer. Don't do that, it's incredibly irresponsible security wise.

Re: What happened to TheNumbers.com

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This article, and possibly the owners of the site, seem to muddle together several problems: 1. bot traffic causing infrastructure cost 2. scraping circumventing paying for licenses 3. the risk of hacking

You missed the speculated motivation: unrestricted prediction markets, which are an open and broad incentive to do whatever actions might provide a slight edge in betting.

Webscraping is among the more benign things that gambling-on-anything can drive. And even that has a negative impact, as seen here.

I have no idea why those sites are legal.

Re: What happened to TheNumbers.com

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I think I probably use AI like a lot of consumers out there. Search engines have gotten bad and AI really good at answering fairly specific questions. Often pointing at sites like wikipedia. Pretty clear changing my behavior will have zero impact but it is certainly part of the problem. Feels a lot like my CO2 consumption.

*Edit - CO2 creation

Re: What happened to TheNumbers.com

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post #71

It feels like there is fundamentally missing infrastructure here that is needed to make these problems go away. Basically bots need to be (somehow) paying for the traffic they create, or prevented from creating it, or told to go away and then fined if they violate the request. No idea how to do these or even at what level in the stack they should happen, but they need to happen eventually somehow.

we've been working on basically the same problem in the email space for a few decades (legit email vs. mass spam). its a very hard (i think impossible) problem.
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