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Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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I’ve been building Echo (https://echo.tracerml.ai/), an experiment in making one AI system out of a pool of open-weight models rather than choosing a single model and using it for every task.

It started with a simple experiment. I took a group of models, including GLM-5.2, Kimi K2.7 and others, and ran them on the same evaluations. Then I measured what would happen if, for each problem, you somehow knew in advance which models would be useful and how their outputs should be combined.

That hypothetical system performed substantially better than any individual model in the pool. Of course, it is not something you can actually deploy because it relies on knowing which decisions were good after seeing the result. Echo is my attempt to recover some of that advantage without having that information in advance.

For each request, Echo decides how much computation to allocate, which models should participate, and how their work should be combined. Some prompts may only need a relatively small amount of inference, while others benefit from multiple models working on different parts of the problem.

One thing that surprised me while building it was how complementary the models are. A model that is clearly weaker overall can still be extremely useful on particular problems or as part of a combination.

On my first evaluation mix, Echo consistently performed better than the best individual model in its pool. It also reached roughly the same aggregate result as Fable, which I used as one of the stronger comparison systems, at around one third of the inference cost.

There are still some cases where Echo makes the wrong allocation or combination decision. I’m currently spending a lot of time understanding those failures, as well as testing whether the same approach holds up on coding and agentic tasks where measuring the quality of each decision becomes much harder.

I built a chat interface (echo.tracerml.ai) and an OpenAI-compatible API (https://echo.tracerml.ai/docs/api) so the system can be tested outside the evaluation setup.

Here is a short/high level video on how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJFJSvOdXhg

I wrote up the evaluation methodology, individual model results, costs and current limitations here: https://echo.tracerml.ai/eval

I would love for you to try it! Especially if you hit any weird failure cases or places where the allocation looks unintuitive.

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

#2
No benchmarks, no info on which models are used, ai generated video, just a signup page with nothing else.

Anyhow, this kinda reminds me of that quote about architecture: "We replaced our monolith with micro services so that every outage could be more like a murder mystery."

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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No benchmarks, no info on which models are used, ai generated video, just a signup page with nothing else. Anyhow, this kinda reminds me of that quote about architecture: "We replaced our monolith with micro services so that every outage could be more like a murder mystery."

> No benchmarks, no info on which models are used, […]

The benchmarks are here → https://echo.tracerml.ai/eval/

They are not good benchmarks but at least they exist.

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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I think approaches like this have potential. Only time will tell. This reminds me of the mixture of experts taken by deepseek r2 (I think it was r2, at least), but less specific models I guess.

I have often wondered how tools like GHCP choose the best model for the job when set to "auto".

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

#8
This reminds me on OpenRouters report that combining multiple different models gave comparable performance to Fable 5. I think this approach has lots of potential. Maybe OpenAi was ahead of its time with GPT-5 (it being a router to different models rather than just being one new model)

Re: Show HN: Echo – Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models

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No benchmarks, no info on which models are used, ai generated video, just a signup page with nothing else. Anyhow, this kinda reminds me of that quote about architecture: "We replaced our monolith with micro services so that every outage could be more like a murder mystery."

It's easy enough to copy and paste in a prompt, no?

Eval tests while giving general indicators might not be similar for each use case.

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