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Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by OGWhales »

cr1895 wrote: post #630
OGWhales wrote: post #608

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Is this comparing old.reddit to reddit.com? I am using the normal url but still use the old design. I just toggled a setting in preferences to use the old design without needing to go to old.reddit, only reason I ever use old.reddit is if I'm logged out. That might be even more niche though, it seems like most people actually use the other url which always confused me when there is a toggle.

>it seems like most people actually use the other url which always confused me when there is a toggle. well, I for one had no idea there was a toggle until just now.

Yeah, in preferences there is an option by beta options that says: "Use new Reddit as my default experience".

Once it a blue moon it doesn't seem to work and going to old.reddit then back to reddit seems to fix it.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by mrguyorama »

marysol5 wrote: post #480
monksy wrote: post #325

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> Someone internally clearly hates its spez. It's always spez.

He's sat in his bunker, wanking himself to death thinking about the end of the world.

I bet he's super jealous that Epstein talked moot into bringing back /pol

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by gs17 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #328
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #323

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>and city-sized geographical subs. lol. No. Every city sub is the EXACT same far left lunatic that needs to make everything about politics. Doesn’t matter if it’s a purple area, red, and reasonable-blue areas far reflected as bizarro versions of themselves if you go off their city reddits. You may not notice depending on your perspective.

It's not just leftists. It's polarization generally, with scale. The mid-range views leave. The extremes remain. Often a sub / moderator bias selects for one polar extreme or another. This is where HN's (generally) political-neutral moderator stance, maddening as it often is to both sides (see dang's many, many, many, many comments on perceived bias), seems to have largely succeeded. Neither side dominates, and the m…

Exactly, for example, there's often two subreddits which are polarized in opposite directions, which unfortunately doesn't make it any easier to figure out the reality than if it was purely left-wing discourse allowed.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by efreak »

dd8601fn wrote: post #102
LaurensBER wrote: post #67

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It would be interesting to hear if the addition of Reddit data makes LLM stronger or weaker. Outside of some (technical)subs most of the comment seems to be of a far lower quality than what you find in books or in websites.

For years before LLMs got big a comment I would often see was, "Google search is worthless now. I basically solve all my problems by searching reddit."

Counterpoint: usernames of people counting numbers with no context whatsoever are so important they have their own tokens, despite being of no value (in fact, negative value, going by the issues they caused when actually used).

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by janaagaard »

OGWhales wrote: post #608
zacharycohn wrote: post #566

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I mod a reasonably popular subreddit for work, and, looking at the stats as a die hard old reddit user, I was floored at how few of us there really are.

Is this comparing old.reddit to reddit.com? I am using the normal url but still use the old design. I just toggled a setting in preferences to use the old design without needing to go to old.reddit, only reason I ever use old.reddit is if I'm logged out. That might be even more niche though, it seems like most people actually use the other url which always confused me when there is a toggle.

I didn't know this existed. Pretty neat, especially since Reddit recently started redirecting old.reddit.com to reddit.com when clicking internal links on the site. Thanks.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by jrochkind1 »

rnd0 wrote: post #603
jrochkind1 wrote: post #562

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It's also like the only place left on the internet to reliably find real people reviewing things with real opinions.

With AI posts and karma farming -not to mention good old-fashioned astroturfing ...how reliable is that, really?

and yet, it remains, in many subreddits.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by efreak »

inigyou wrote: post #580
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #515

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I am debating an appropriate response, but maybe just an answer is not exactly what is called for here. What do you think a meme is? What function does it serve?

A meme is a unit of information. It serves no function, it just is. Like life itself.

A meme is a _self-propagating_ unit of information. Like a gene.

Tangent: I would call a datum the basic unit of information. Not sure if there's an official word, given the prevalence of the Wikipedia article for unit of (digital) information in every relevant search.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by asddubs »

Gormo wrote: post #559
asddubs wrote: post #544

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While I do use old.reddit and genuinely think it's better UI-wise, in the general case users tend to be resistant to any UI change because it breaks their habits and muscle memory. This is valid but applies even if the new design is easier to use/better in one way or another.

> While I do use old.reddit and genuinely think it's better UI-wise, in the general case users tend to be resistant to any UI change because it breaks their habits and muscle memory. It's funny how often people say "it's just habit / muscle memory / etc." in response to these kinds of discussions, as though it were somehow a counter-argument, and not something that corroborates the argument against making sudden, dra…

My point is that it's not an objective measure of design quality, i.e. how well does a person who hasn't used the software before use it, or how quickly do they learn it. Whether that matters more than your existing users is up to you

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by alex1138 »

monksy wrote: post #325
20k wrote: post #293

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They're just trying to manufacture a reason to kill off old reddit. Someone internally clearly hates the fact that its still quite popular, despite all the efforts to make it unusable so far

> Someone internally clearly hates its spez. It's always spez.

I don't know his entire life history so this is maybe unfair but internet companies are full of people like this. They fail upward and extract value from content the users make

spez/anyone else could very directly not do what they're doing. Step back and say 'this is wrong'. But they're going to alienate everyone because they can

These people should be preemptively fired/never hired from any job ever. If you can't show basic respect gtfo

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by modinfo »

Reddit isn't saying HTML has a security flaw. The problem, from reddits perspective, is that old reddit makes it easy to scrape a lot of content anonymously. Requiring a login gives reddit an account it can rate limit or ban, while "New" reddit provides more telemetry and anti-bot checks.

The article is right about one thing: JavaScript and frontend bloat do not secure public content. They just make scraping more "expensive"

But frontend design does affect how easily a site can detect and restrict automated traffic. Reddit may have a real abuse problem. Calling the change necessary 'to keep Reddit safe' though, is slippery wording. this is about controlling access to content and automated traffic, not protecting anyone from unsafe HTML.

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