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Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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Post by anonymars »

theredleft wrote: post #304
intrasight wrote: post #268

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Without a massive amount of post-training, it will be obvious that they are Chinese models with Chinese political ideology. I doubt that there's any business model that would work there.

do you think that China is some place devoid of business? it's the center of global commerce now. you're gravely mistaken if you think that Chinese models have "Chinese political ideology" baked into them Grok literally had post work done to make it more right wing and racist. sheer lunacy

Is your claim that Chinese commerce isn't subject to political censorship?

Where does Grok come into this? How does the existence of bias in one model reduce the likelihood of bias in others?

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Post by jgbuddy »

verdverm wrote: post #309
jgbuddy wrote: post #301

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I don't think the post-training would be that difficult. I ran an experiment on kimi k3 just now: User: is taiwan part of china? Kimi: Taiwan's political status is a complex and contested issue. Here's a balanced overview of the different perspectives: People's Republic of China (PRC) position: The P I am more convinced that the Chinese models are really aligned with American values under the hood (as they likely dis…

How are you accessing K3? If it is through Moonshot's API, then there is very likely guardrails, because it seems like it wanted to answer and was then cutoff. We are starting to get access to K3 from US providers now, curious if they exhibit the same response pattern?

this was kimi 'instant' on kimi.com through their chat, looking now it's probably not k3 but still one of their models nonetheless

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Post by Aarostotle »

bix6 wrote: post #244

> Almost 200 Silicon Valley companies, including Proton and Y Combinator…On Wednesday, the newly-formed Little Tech Association YC is little tech? lol wut.

YC's entire business is finding little tech companies and helping them grow.

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Post by vkaku »

Read this thread when you get the time:

https://x.com/_vkaku/status/2080352797606744209

Open Data+Open Models gives everyone else an advantage and bringing regulatory capture here should be appealed and brought to the FTC and the courts to challenge such regulations.

Startups need better than this whole lock down into four overvalued frontier models in the US sort of thing

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Post by ch4s3 »

arjie wrote: post #280
ch4s3 wrote: post #145

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Incomes at the lowest quintile rose 47% from 2021 to 2024. That growth slowed in 2025, but outpaced the growth of higher income quintiles in the first few years post pandemic. Real median household income in 2024 was $83,730 which is the highest it has ever been, and that is the middle quintile.

This one has always made sense to me. If you think about circumstances which improve the bottom quintiles’ relative income so that they’re now making as much as the median (I.e. the curve flattens out through unprecedented prosperity for the poorest) then the middle and upper middle incomes will rightly conclude that they’re not relatively high income anymore. Placing an arbitrary person on the curve at the right pla…

This is a very zero sum view of the world that I don't think most people actually hold.

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Post by qlte »

bethekidyouwant wrote: post #140

“And they warn that banning Americans from downloading Chinese open-weight models wouldn’t stop their proliferation — but would weaken U.S. startups.” Well this doesn’t even make sense.

Weaken U.S startups = Can’t legally develop commercial products that use or remix the latest open weights models in novel/creative/cost-reducing/etc ways, while companies from the rest of the world could (including China, who this is ostensibly supposed to be punishing)

Wouldn't stop proliferation = Despite that, your non-programmer 14 year old child can still install the latest Qwen model on Day 1 by copying a one liner command they got from a YouTube short that sources from a Gitlab repo outside US jurisdiction

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Post by ch4s3 »

tokai wrote: post #237
ch4s3 wrote: post #47

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US real median household income has been steadily rising[1] for the last 40+ years. Life expectancy is rising again after dipping and plateauing for a few years. Employment numbers are pretty good given the macro headwinds. The US forms ~5.9 million new businesses per year which vastly out paces the EU. The US isn't without problems, but we're doing OK. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N It's incred…

>Life expectancy is rising again after dipping and plateauing for a few years Life expectancy dipping for any develop country, even if temporary, is an embarrassing catastrophe.

Well there was a global pandemic the prematurely killed a lot of elderly people, and the dip happened in a lot of countries.
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