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Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI

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> If China had special forces deployed and conducting ops in random African countries it would be a massive aggression It’s literally doing this across its maritime and mountain boundaries! It does cause outrage, albeit less so in mass media.

What's a good example you would say?

I think they're referring to occasional fist fights between the Indian and Chinese deployments at the top of the Himalayas where there's a dumb territorial dispute. There were a couple of times decades ago where the forces shot at each other and the governments had to scramble to calm things down and deescalate, so somehow they've reached this gentleman's agreement to have fistfights instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute

We're talking about this kind of thing balancing out, say, Fallujah or shock and awe over Baghdad.

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Specific use case is way too important for a list like that to be very helpful. I only know image gen well enough to use as an example, but style, resolution, inpainting, img2img or text2image, lora compatibility, etc. all lead to different “best” models. Even more complex for image2video, but there’s fewer models to choose from there at least.

Sanctions would cancel the whole business rationale for the Chinese government having/supporting open weight models. You can't commoditize your competitors with open-source if your product is blocked.

Even with US sanctions, Chinese AI companies would continue to serve users in every other country in the world (including China itself), so I don't see why they would stop releasing open weight models.

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> They just should have bought them, rather than pirating them. Bought, scanned and destroyed them I believe. The judge okay'd Destructive Scanning.

Destruction is not necessary. Google Books is a solid precedent. You can keep the content, you just can't make significant parts publicly available

> The court also held that the third factor favored fair use as to the purchased library copies converted from print to digital because the purpose of the copying was to keep the books in its library but with more favorable storage and searchability properties. This purpose required copying, there was no surplus copying and the source copy was destroyed. With respect to the pirated copies, however, the court held that because “Anthropic lacked any entitlement to hold those copies” and retained them “even after deciding it would not make further copies from them for training,” this third factor weighed against Anthropic for that particular use.

https://www.loeb.com/en/insights/publications/2025/07/bartz-...

You need to destroy the _physical copy_ that you scanned.

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>So they got fined for… stealing? Correct, 2001 napster style pirating of content. You cannot copy stuff you didn't pay for onto your hard drive. >Also, if I clone Call of Duty, and use their skins, make a similar soundtrack, call my maps the same, then there will definitely be an issue. A gameplay clone as I stated, tons exist (team death match, capture the flag, battle royale, with first person gunplay and army guy…

I don’t think I’d equate a corporation downloading TBs of copyrighted works (with the intent of making a profit on stealing copyrighted works) and John downloading a few GBs of MP3s for personal consumption.

Probably why John wasn't ordered to pay $1.5B.

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Pirating millions of dollars worth of books would land people in jail. Government went after Aaron Scwartz for "pirating" scientific journals.

Aaron Schwartz was re-publishing the journals, which is the core concern or copyright and indeed where the word "copyright" comes from. Anthropic could get in a lot more trouble if their models are caught reproducing copyrighted work from their training set wholesale. I think the Aaron Schwartz case is incredibly vexing because he was obviously acting out of a sense of altruism without personal self-interest. I don't…

I've linked this several times, but LLMs are capable of reproducing entire books. Researchers were able to extract books nearly verbatim: https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.02671

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The U.S. does NOT have copyright protections on the data that AI models were and are trained on, it was mass theft. Now all of a sudden, the Chinese are stealing from the thieves and we’re supposed to care? No one cares, we just want cheaper AI models that are equally as powerful. They’re all thieves regardless.

Copyright infringement, maybe. Theft? No. When something is stolen from you, you don't have that thing anymore.

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I think we are already quarter of century in. It started with reaction to 9/11 and only got worse since then. Damage was pretty much self-inflicted.

I think it started when the Soviet Union fell apart because we had no global peer or competition and became unserious.

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Are public libraries thieves? Is Anna's Library thieves? Is Library Genesis thieves? Is Archive.org thieves? Is PirateBay thieves? They all look like public libraries to me. And better access to all human knowledge is a net positive for everyone.

Someone going to public library, copying every book out of it and then selling them as their own are thieves.

Not technically theft unless the public library no longer has the books. Selling something and saying you created it when you didn't is a different five-letter word: fraud.

Putting prompts in an LLM and saying you "created" the image or text thereof is fraud.

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> If China had special forces deployed and conducting ops in random African countries it would be a massive aggression It’s literally doing this across its maritime and mountain boundaries! It does cause outrage, albeit less so in mass media.

What's a good example you would say?

I’d say the South China Sea island building in violation of UNCLOS text and judgement comes pretty close to American CIA-style fuckery in South America and Africa.

To be clear, American fuckery is broader. But if we agree we’re discussing magnitudes and not kind, we agree on all I’m arguing.

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