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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by KetoManx64 »

tripzilch wrote: post #588
bArray wrote: post #367

I don't think you want to store your source code in a place where they ban projects based on politics [1]: > Allowing these projects is not a neutral stance; the effects to the environment are severe. The "DarkFi" (seemingly some crypto designed for criminals, citing an FBI director) project for example uses a "PoW blockchain" (per their readme). PoW (Proof-Of-Work) projects waste an astonishing amount of computation…

> with Bitcoin alone using more energy than the entire countries of Argentina or the Netherlands Btw this particular comparison can be traced back to a single Guardian article from 2021/2022 or so It's a very weird comparison imho cause what they did (in the original article) was sort all the countries by energy usage, and notice that Bitcoin lies between Argentina and Netherlands. I thought a better comparison would…

> Now I'm not trying to argue that bitcoin doesn't waste a lot of energy, it totally does.

Bitcoin doesn't waste energy, it uses energy to encode and secure the blockchain. The federal reserve (corrupt as it is) does not waste energy to print dollar bills, it is just part of the process of creation.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by yaemiko »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #395
Barrin92 wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the same way United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart defined porn in Jacobellis v. Ohio, you know it when you see it

Sloppy and low effort reply. Claude does a better job. I'd paste the output but it's against the rules on HN. You can find it on lobsters though, where I did post the full reply along with the prompt in response to the exact same cop out. To this day , it's still the only coherent definition of "slop" in the entire 300+ comment thread I posted it in. Not bad for a clanker, huh?

perhaps wasn't your intent, but this clearly demonstrates the benefit of those kinds of rules for everybody around both on codeberg and here. and you're still here

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Cider9986 »

cyberax wrote: post #290
Cider9986 wrote: post #246

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The vast majority of crime happens in fiat, not crypto. Monero protects human rights while fiat allows them to be taken away. For example, Canadian govt used banks to control peaceful protesters to deny them freedom of expression. If they used Monero they wouldn't have had their rights violated.

The percentage of classical fiat used for crime is negligible, when compared with the percentage of blockhain fiat used for crimes. Moreover, classical fiat makes steps to make crime like ransomware or kidnapping impractical. While crypto fiat works on making them easy

>The percentage of classical fiat used for crime is negligible, when compared with the percentage of blockhain fiat used for crimes.

If the goal is to prevent crime then going after a currency based on percentage is stupid. Nobody cares about what percent, they care about what's actually happening and that's where the astronomically larger amount of fiat crime matters.

>Moreover, classical fiat makes steps to make crime like ransomware or kidnapping impractical. While crypto fiat works on making them easy

You're right regular transparent crypto is problematic because it makes kidnapping more common. That's why everyone should use privacy coins like Monero because they don't want to go shouting their bank account balance and every purchase they've ever made every time they make a purchase.

We shouldn't spy on everyone to prevent crime, that's like putting everyone in jail and making them prove they are good people to get out or making people accused of committing a crime forced to prove their innocence beyond doubt.

Monero prevents mass surveillance which makes our society more free.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Cider9986 »

shikck200 wrote: post #313
Cider9986 wrote: post #236

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Monero is digital cash and protects privacy, a human right.

I hear this over and over. What kind of privacy are we taking about here? You mean X gives Y 100 bucks in cash privacy? Or purchasing a house where there is no paper trail, no knowledge of who is the previous/current owner and no insurance at all kind of privacy? Would you be happy to send your kids to a school that no one knows whos the owner, who operates it and if there is any kind of hazards and/or insurance/main…

>You mean X gives Y 100 bucks in cash privacy?

Yes. Monero is the equivalent of spending cash online. Any service that accepts monero still has order numbers to deliver the product. Or requires an address if it must be shipped.

It's about minimizing unnecessary data.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by stackghost »

iamnothere wrote: post #532
stackghost wrote: post #353

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>To me, this all sounds like the kind of fuzzy reasoning and nondescript language that turns communities into popularity contests and backstabbing competitions. Welcome to society. There is no such thing as a meritocracy.

Fortunately, some of us have this cool thing called intelligence, which allows us to build unique spaces that have different rules from the norm.

Indeed it's almost like open source projects can use their collective intelligence and decide for themselves what's acceptable and what's not acceptable when it comes to free git hosting, irrespective of "the norm".

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by allarm »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #591
tripzilch wrote: post #588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with Bitcoin alone using more energy than the entire countries of Argentina or the Netherlands Btw this particular comparison can be traced back to a single Guardian article from 2021/2022 or so It's a very weird comparison imho cause what they did (in the original article) was sort all the countries by energy usage, and notice that Bitcoin lies between Argentina and Netherlands. I thought a better comparison would…

> Now I'm not trying to argue that bitcoin doesn't waste a lot of energy, it totally does. Bitcoin doesn't waste energy, it uses energy to encode and secure the blockchain. The federal reserve (corrupt as it is) does not waste energy to print dollar bills, it is just part of the process of creation.

> Bitcoin doesn't waste energy, it uses energy to encode and secure the blockchain.

Which is a waste of energy.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by FireInsight »

nailer wrote: post #579
FireInsight wrote: post #391

If this, or the vibe-coding ban upsets you, you're not the target demographic of Codeberg. It's not a big tent project looking to host all the code in the word, like Github is. It's for principled, quality, open source, community-first software. Look at the explore page to see what that means: https://codeberg.org/explore/repos?q=&only_show_relevant=tru... The entire point of Forgejo, the git forge that Codeberg runs…

> It's for principled, quality, open source, community-first software. Assuming that people that use blockchains are not principled is similar to assuming that people that use arrays are not principled. Maybe more ridiculous, as you're supporting banks, card companies, and money transfer providers taking 1-6% of everyone's transactions.

The ban is not for "all blockchain-related projects", it's for "projects that harm the reputation of Codeberg" with the newly added clarification that they may include cryptocurrency projects for example. Moderation is not very proactive on Codeberg. This terms addition basically gives them clearance to ban a cryptocurrency project that is deemed to harm the site's/community's reputation by for example being a scammy shitcoin.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Timon3 »

tarpitt wrote: post #505
inigyou wrote: post #439

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Well this is a charity providing services for free. If you want to be provided a service for a price, go elsewhere.

That money had to have come from somewhere, whether it was taxpayers or individuals. What if I donated? Is it cool to just roll over and allow political groups to hijack a previously neutral service? Also there are other projects hosted there, and network effects involved.

This step perfectly aligns with the political direction Codeberg had from the very start. Who are you to now come in and demand they change to fit your political stance?

This isn't very cool of you.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by nailer »

FireInsight wrote: post #597
nailer wrote: post #579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's for principled, quality, open source, community-first software. Assuming that people that use blockchains are not principled is similar to assuming that people that use arrays are not principled. Maybe more ridiculous, as you're supporting banks, card companies, and money transfer providers taking 1-6% of everyone's transactions.

The ban is not for "all blockchain-related projects", it's for "projects that harm the reputation of Codeberg" with the newly added clarification that they may include cryptocurrency projects for example. Moderation is not very proactive on Codeberg. This terms addition basically gives them clearance to ban a cryptocurrency project that is deemed to harm the site's/community's reputation by for example being a scammy…

> with the newly added clarification that they may include cryptocurrency projects for example.

Yes. That's what the post you're replying to is discussing. 'Cryptocurrency projects' is a bizarre example of a project that would harm Codeberg's reputation (which they have harmed themselves by their odd stance in this matter). If you are unfamilar with blockchains, transaction fees for blockchain programs are paid using tokens (which used to be called 'cryptocurrencies').

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by ModernMech »

mlrtime wrote: post #494
hogwasher wrote: post #422

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I'd rather companies actually care (or even just care about seeming to care) about ethics, rather than only caring what makes the line go up the fastest, yes. A company that treats ethics as optional, or that thinks "it's a business" excuses every imaginable sin, is one that will happily screw you and me over too. Also, in the long term, making climate change worse is a catastrophically bad decision for absolutely ev…

The problem is they can change their mind at a whim and all of a sudden you are on the other side of what they care about. Not worth the risk, I'd say don't use them.

Can't every company do that at any time though? How is being on the other side of an ethical line different or more risky from being on the other side of a spreadsheet-driven line. One day you're in a green cell and it's all good, the next you're in a red cell and on the other side of what they care about (just green cells).
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