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I think you might be fooling yourself with AI

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Re: I think you might be fooling yourself with AI

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I've noticed that you can either move very fast with AI, or very slow. Moving fast, you place a lot of trust in the agent and let it proceed and create something very quickly that works at a surface level and that you don't understand at all. Moving slow you take the time to ask questions and understand every part of the application and learn more about how to code it yourself and make changes as necessary. One thing…

> One thing I've noticed is, that coding manually is exponentially more stressful than the slow AI approach. I find the exact opposite. Typically the AI will make too many mistakes (even with latest advanced models), they usually aren't major/program breaking mistakes, but they still require fixing if I want to keep the code quality good enough, and make future changes possible without a falling house of cards. In or…

If I'm working on a non-coercive environment (No deadlines, requirements, etc..) hand coding in hyper-focus mode is extremely zen. But working on a deadline it really hurts. My brain can't help but ratchet up the stress.

Re: I think you might be fooling yourself with AI

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Now imagine if this was written about the first steam engines being used inefficiently to pull coal up out the ground and pump out the water. It's so expensive -- is this really more effective than just hiring 50 men? We all know how that ended up...

It ended with global warming from burning too much coal. I'm not sure that's the comparison you are trying to make though

Re: I think you might be fooling yourself with AI

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These articles are so off from reality to the point that it can't be taken seriously at all. I keep wondering how they keep popping at HN. At least the author admit he is biased..

I think there's a simple dichotomy based on use cases. For things you're already highly skilled at LLMs can be handy but the overall gains, after all is accounted for, are not so clear. But for things you aren't good at, they're zomg amazing. So for somebody evaluating things based on what they do at work (where they're probably quite competent) or on personal projects well within their own domain, then it's 'hey wha…

It has taken me a few months to get productive with them. I did not pick it up easily.

Re: I think you might be fooling yourself with AI

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Now imagine if this was written about the first steam engines being used inefficiently to pull coal up out the ground and pump out the water. It's so expensive -- is this really more effective than just hiring 50 men? We all know how that ended up...

> We all know how that ended up...

It ended up with investors losing their shirts time and time again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Mania and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893 for example - but we did get some very useful infrastructure out of it.

Re: I think you might be fooling yourself with AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire thing is an AI skeptic saying “I’m skeptical I found some outdated anecdata that supports my point”. Feynman’s quote is meant for the author of this post, not people using AI to execute better day to day. It’s not reasonable to point at a chatgpt subscription and say “look the entire industry isn’t sustainable”. We all know those are subsidized just like uber was. And there are plenty of people paying API…

"Feynman’s quote is meant for the author of this post, not people using AI to execute better day to day." Lol! Feynman's quote is in fact for everyone. Refusing to consider that it might apply to yourself is proof of that!

It’s not a consideration. I am more productive with AI. Period. Maybe that’s not the reality for you, but it is for me. I don’t need a study to prove it.

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There is no longer, in my opinion, any scope for reasonable debate that AI models like Fable 5 are net productivity increases for many, if not most, if not ALL, programming tasks. Anyone can, or should be able to, prove this to themselves in about 5 minutes. And so if someone like the author is trying to argue the contrary, that leads me to believe they either: (1) have not bothered to spend even 5 minutes validating…

I just attempted to verify this myself, but they want my hard earned dollars first. I didn't see any satisfaction guarantee or anything. That already feels like a scam.

You know, if I held an important opinion about something, and there was a fairly easy way to conclusively validate or falsify it one way or the other, and all it was going to take was a couple of bucks, I'd just pay it. Having good info about the world I live in is important to me.

Just saying.

Re: I think you might be fooling yourself with AI

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Ah - near the bottom where he is disclosing his own bias. Got it. So do you disagree that AI companies are in very large amounts of debt? And do you also disagree that debt will have real consequences (and one of those consequences might be either the lights going out or a buyout or merger)?

Tell me, when the dot com bubble burst, and all those debt-laden companies collapsed and had buyouts and mergers, was the internet turned off?

Not at all. And to be honest, I don't hear the original author asserting that all AI will go away.

But if you have a ChatGPT plan and OpenAI is bought by another company (because they are insolvent) ... do you honestly think you will be able to continue using your service without a significant price increase?

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> Meanwhile, a study (late 2025) seems to report that although participating developers felt they completed tasks faster using AI, they where around 19% slower. METR reran the study early this year and, while they caveat it, this time they found a speedup, which is consistent with subjective estimates of productivity also having increased -- the simplest explanation is that subjective estimates exaggerate, but there'…

"Unfortunately, given participant feedback and surveys, we believe that the data from our new experiment gives us an unreliable signal of the current productivity effect of AI tools." That's more than a caveat. That says, this study is unreliable. And why? "The primary reason is that we have observed a significant increase in developers choosing not to participate in the study because they do not wish to work without…

> The primary reason is that we have observed a significant increase in developers choosing not to participate in the study because they do not wish to work without AI.

Why do you think this is? Who wants to spend an afternoon gluing API calls together when the robot can do it in 5 minutes?

Re: I think you might be fooling yourself with AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The part that says > AI will just be turned off.

> I'm quite influenced by Ed Zitron's reporting Zitron has been predicting an imminent bubble pop since 2023 (although in less and less falsifiable terms), as OpenAI and Anthropic revenues have steadily grown 3-10x per year, but people keep listening. Zitron has done a lot to misinform the public but at some point you have to conclude it's demand-driven, and people won't re-evaluate his credibility because he tells t…

Revenue and profit are not the same.

And you didn't even mention the debt these companies have accrued in the last 3 years.

References:

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/big-tech/ai-tech-...

https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/article/techs-ai-debt-b...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertszczerba/2026/07/17/bond-...

Re: I think you might be fooling yourself with AI

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There are definitely many open questions around things like what tasks is AI appropriate for, how involved should you be in the process (fully automated agent swarms, or planning steps back and forth with human input on every decision), at what level of usage might you hit diminishing or negative returns, will we be able to continue to use it at this rate / price, will it get cheaper or will energy use continue to rise, how much will AI improve in the future, how will AI use affect people's development or temperament, will skills atrophy, will people no longer learn critical skills, how will we deal with AI spam or a loss of "proof of work" in producing a lengthy written artifact.... in sum there is no shortage of AI related topics worth exploring and thinking deeply about.

Some people still suggest that AI flat out isn't useful though, and that angle to me doesn't hold much water. I was a slow AI adopter, but I have found plenty of benefit from using AI in various applications recently. I haven't come close to using on the level of some people who orchestrate agents and rarely read or touch the code they are writing, but there have been clear times when I popped into Claude and had it help me very successfully with something that would have taken longer to do without that help. So increasingly I am skeptical of anyone positing that there is no potential benefit to appropriately using AI assistance. I think the author could rewrite around the angle of their perceived negative externalities outweighing potential advantages, but to deny or ignore those potential benefits ultimately distracts or actively takes away from a serious discussion of said negative externalities.

I don't put much stock in the very very frequently cited study about AI productivity included in this blog. It's a single study. The study itself cites multiple other studies that did find a productivity boost in writing software with AI assistance. I don't see the methodology as being very sound, the sample size isn't very big, some of those developers had likely never used AI before so of course they were slower as they explored using a new tool for the first time (which the study more or less writes off as a non-factor). They also used "Claude 3.5/3.7 Sonnet", which is not the strongest model. I personally find the Sonnet family of models not that useful and much more inaccurate than something like Opus or Fable.

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