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Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

inigyou wrote: post #465
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #219

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>Actually, that big stink people made over killing third-party Reddit client access was all powermods, because doing your job as a moderator is nigh-impossible with the standard Reddit tools. That's why we had so many subs get blacked out in protest, an I sort of got the impression it was because of that back when it happened. But when I say it out loud everyone protested reddit because the moderators didn't have wha…

How would the tool tell the difference between criticizing Israel in /r/israelisawesome and criticizing Israel in /r/worldnews?

A moderator has, presumably, chosen n posts, and by doing so has indicated that if you've downvoted (or upvoted, their choice) at least however many of those, you're on the shitlist in their subreddit. No AI needed, the moderator was the one to determine that you were criticizing something and that in their subreddit the criticism is unwelcome.

Where to allow them to do this with posts outside of their subreddit is an implementation detail.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by b112 »

rightbyte wrote: post #519
b112 wrote: post #414

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This is the mistake so many platforms and software packages make. They look at the big groups, but don't really pay much attention to the smaller groupings. They also don't pay much mind to who is on those smaller groupings. I'm willing to bet that all those little groups, are what attracted people to Reddit to start with. The local city forums, or the niche group of people interested in... tumbleweeds or something.…

> All these forced clicks to read a thread, so they know if you're doing so. Isn't that to reload ads? Each plus sign click could have some sort of SOAP call or whatever to load dynamically.

Well, I can't see any reason why it couldn't be both.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by jazzypants »

ksec wrote: post #606
jazzypants wrote: post #582

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I mean, I used the old design for a couple years, but now I genuinely prefer the new design. I mostly view Reddit on my phone, and new reddit is much more mobile friendly. I have to pinch and zoom and scroll all over the place on old reddit. I know that's an unpopular opinion around these parts, but I also hate viewing this website on my phone so I use an app. This website really needs a mobile redesign, but I can't…

Also want to add, the new design is now after at least 5 - 6 years of iterations on React, is finally useable and better. Much like all decent JS front end / React based Web site, it takes years to polish to make it work to certain standards. I am not entirely sure why we have to do that and what benefits does it actually brings?

Just to clarify: I think an older version may have used React, but I just double-checked and current Reddit is definitely a Lit app built with web components. You can tell based on the comment placeholders used by the rendering engine as anchor nodes and by the prevalence of dashed-elements in the markup. Here's an example:

  
          
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They seem to call the current architecture "shreddit" internally for some reason.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by Terr_ »

windward wrote: post #485
egorfine wrote: post #440

As a heavy reddit user since the glorious Digg times... what's up with this "old reddit" thing? I vaguely remember some problems with new reddit initially. But the "new" frontend looks nice to me in all aspects. What am I missing?

Absurdly, it is much faster to browse between pages using old reddit. Seriously, try it out. I wonder if the person who created a ticket for implementing the progress bar ever wondered if it was symptom of a greater problem?

You can also actually see a big discussion without lots and lots of clicking until clicking too deeply makes you lose all your progress and start over.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by a2tech »

tsss wrote: post #575
a2tech wrote: post #563

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Inside of Reddit itself? Not with the tools we're given from Reddit. We know Reddit has internal tools to block spam/bots, so I believe what we see is the most sophisticated ones (they're not too sophisticated mostly, but they're not the zero effort bulk spam that reddit catches easily). Something that would make things far easier for mods would be if the posters hashed IP was shown/made available to mods. Thats most…

> remove posts from people that have posted in identified subreddits So you're actually censoring opinions, not fighting spam, just like every other reddit mod.

We're maintaining a space where people with actual skin in the game can have conversations about hot button topics. We do not maintain the subreddit for large numbers of outside agitators to parachute in, shout down local discourse, and then fuck off immediately.

There is room for people on any side of an argument to come in and discuss. They can do so in a civilized, adult manner, or they can fuck right off. Call it censorship if you like.

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Post by ndriscoll »

graemep wrote: post #586
ndriscoll wrote: post #553

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You don't need a centralized approver; you could give any member invite privileges or have a shared password or QR code that members can give out, or that can be shared at in-person meetups, etc. That should work fine still for a city-scale group (which in practice is still going to be maybe a few dozen members). Community forum like for a PTO is also the exact type of thing I had in mind. Print a QR code with embedd…

Its still going to create extra costs and risks. What happens if a member over-shares a QR code? What happens if you trust the wrong people? Children can scan flyers too. Governments will move to close loopholes and get ISPs to block sites. Technical solutions do not fix social and political problems.

This is certainly an American perspective, but I wouldn't worry at all about such things. The government has no legitimate interest in regulating your local bicycle club's discussion forum so you should be about as worried as you'd be not going to church if a law were passed saying everyone must be Christian.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by a2tech »

von_lohengramm wrote: post #573
a2tech wrote: post #563

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Inside of Reddit itself? Not with the tools we're given from Reddit. We know Reddit has internal tools to block spam/bots, so I believe what we see is the most sophisticated ones (they're not too sophisticated mostly, but they're not the zero effort bulk spam that reddit catches easily). Something that would make things far easier for mods would be if the posters hashed IP was shown/made available to mods. Thats most…

I'm curious what you've found the troublesome subreddits to be. I think I have a pretty strong idea what they are, but some validation would be nice.

I'm not comfortable disclosing them because we don't want our 'secret sauce' to be leaked and let people know we're on to their BS.

I will tell you that it's mostly the ones you expect if you're heavily engaged with Reddit and moderation. But there are several new gathering places that I didn't know about until we started spelunking on the most annoying posters histories.

This is one of the places where a tool that scrapes reddit and lets you see deleted comments is absolutely clutch--these people are very good about removing the worst of their vile spewing on reddit, or changing their comments to look innocuous after people have gotten worked up. It's all about making people they disagree with look like bullies and idiots.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by evan_a_a »

tdeck wrote: post #536

I always wondered how Reddit justified the old.reddit effect. If your new design is so awful that a large percentage of users refuse to use it, and prefer the (more performant!) version from more than a decade ago, shouldn't that be a strong signal that you've made some mistakes? Why not try making the new version more appealing by investigating and fixing the issues that cause people to use the old one. I guess cred…

According to stats on a relatively small local sub I mod, most people interact with Reddit through the mobile app these days. All of the web interfaces make up a small percentage of visits, and old.reddit is even smaller.

Re: So Reddit has decided that plain HTML is unsafe

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Post by darepublic »

First there is a patch of greenery. People naturally drawn to spend time there. Then a generous benefactor comes along and builds a paved road. Hey you don't have to use those footpaths anymore! You can ride your bike along this! Thank you!

Then this wonderful benefactor starts adding more things.. fencing.. signage, guardrails. Then one day the benefactor says to everyone I've made all this for you. And yet some of you still don't use this place in the intended way. I will now put up a security perimeter. You must show your papers to enter, walk along the narrow lanes we've set up and obey the signage and pay a toll to justify all I've done. Some of you are so ungrateful

I wonder if we can find a new patch of greenery

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