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Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by Timon3 »

FabCH wrote: post #252
archagon wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Yet you participate in society. Curious!"

Do they? A luddite response is not necessarily participating in society. It could be argued Codeberg group made a choice to opt out of participating.

Unless you're willing to host vibe-coded projects, you're for sure opting out of society. It says so right on the second page of the social contract.

On the other hand, stealing all intellectual works ever created without compensating the authors, building a plagiarism machine and then selling access to the stolen knowledge? Now that's participating in society.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by FabCH »

Timon3 wrote: post #261
FabCH wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they? A luddite response is not necessarily participating in society. It could be argued Codeberg group made a choice to opt out of participating.

Unless you're willing to host vibe-coded projects, you're for sure opting out of society. It says so right on the second page of the social contract. On the other hand, stealing all intellectual works ever created without compensating the authors, building a plagiarism machine and then selling access to the stolen knowledge? Now that's participating in society.

And how do open models fit into that narrative?

Say I am running Kimi K3 locally and commit security patches to Git. What now? Should Codeberg fork Git pre-2020 and keep the vulnerabilities?

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by Timon3 »

FabCH wrote: post #262
Timon3 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you're willing to host vibe-coded projects, you're for sure opting out of society. It says so right on the second page of the social contract. On the other hand, stealing all intellectual works ever created without compensating the authors, building a plagiarism machine and then selling access to the stolen knowledge? Now that's participating in society.

And how do open models fit into that narrative? Say I am running Kimi K3 locally and commit security patches to Git. What now? Should Codeberg fork Git pre-2020 and keep the vulnerabilities?

I don't know, should they? Unless I've missed something, Codeberg haven't mentioned anything like this. You seem to be the only one bringing this strange idea up. So why are you asking me?

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by noirscape »

GabeIsko wrote: post #223
noirscape wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want a stable platform that will host my small static website blog at a very low cost, with high stability and uptime, no questions asked. Maybe try the neocities supporter plan[0]? They allow custom domains, offer decent bandwidth and put a lot of effort into open source and encouraging people to write their own sites from what I can tell. It seems like a better option than dealing with the Great Amorphous Corpo…

That sounds neat, I haven't seen it, although I think someone else mentioned they were using neocities. Do they support random static sites?

It's their entire MO; their name indicates the idea is that they are also a successor to geocities. No backend support whatsoever, just HTML/CSS/JS and whatever other files you need to host a site (images).

Their AUP isn't unreasonable: don't use them to host scams/spam people, don't abuse their services for an SEO farming operation, don't infringe on people's copyright, don't get their IPs blacklisted and don't use their services to harass or threaten people. All fairly standard as far as "we don't want to get sued/get in trouble" is concerned.

There's also an API to upload files to, shouldn't be too difficult to use it to rig up an SSG deployment script for it, or alternatively you can use their web interface to upload the resulting files. (Although it is on the assumption that you shouldn't abuse it.)

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by FabCH »

Timon3 wrote: post #263
FabCH wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how do open models fit into that narrative? Say I am running Kimi K3 locally and commit security patches to Git. What now? Should Codeberg fork Git pre-2020 and keep the vulnerabilities?

I don't know, should they? Unless I've missed something, Codeberg haven't mentioned anything like this. You seem to be the only one bringing this strange idea up. So why are you asking me?

Unless they are hypocrites, they should. Otherwise the whole moralizing first part of their blog post is meaningless.

And I am asking you because we are on an Internet forum and you responded to my comment.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by FireInsight »

FabCH wrote: post #240

The problem with this logic is that Codeberg itself is built on top of other FOSS. What will happen when Git accepts its first vibe-coded patch. Linus is famously ok with AI assisted coding, so eventually Linux can or will also cross the threshold. Will Codeberg stay principled and stop using Git and Linux?

The ban doesn't even target projects with one AI-assisted patch. What are you talking about? Or does Torvalds also plan on using Claude Code to rewrite Linux and Git in Rust?

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by menturi »

I do wonder how this influences projects like CoMaps which can currently accept code predominantly written by LLMs/agents. I've heard that the contributor must understands the code and is able to explain it, though I cannot find where this is a real rule. They do disallow using such tools in autonomous-looking ways (they say ‘agent mode’ or ‘vibe coding’).

See: https://codeberg.org/comaps/Governance/src/branch/main/AI_US...

Despite these restrictions, it seems Codeberg's new rules could put pressure on repos like CoMaps if the proportion of contributions is largely LLM-written.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by FabCH »

FireInsight wrote: post #266
FabCH wrote: post #240

The problem with this logic is that Codeberg itself is built on top of other FOSS. What will happen when Git accepts its first vibe-coded patch. Linus is famously ok with AI assisted coding, so eventually Linux can or will also cross the threshold. Will Codeberg stay principled and stop using Git and Linux?

The ban doesn't even target projects with one AI-assisted patch. What are you talking about? Or does Torvalds also plan on using Claude Code to rewrite Linux and Git in Rust?

If a project uses AI assistance, it’s pretty much guaranteed that eventually 50% of the code in the project will in one way or the other be touched by AI assistance.

And Torvalds does seem to plan on continue using AI assistance.

It‘s because there is basically no way for code to become „clean“ so the entire process is one way.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by Timon3 »

FabCH wrote: post #265
Timon3 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, should they? Unless I've missed something, Codeberg haven't mentioned anything like this. You seem to be the only one bringing this strange idea up. So why are you asking me?

Unless they are hypocrites, they should. Otherwise the whole moralizing first part of their blog post is meaningless. And I am asking you because we are on an Internet forum and you responded to my comment.

You might have a point if Codeberg banned any and all AI-generated code, but they're not doing that. So why are you expecting them to follow your maximalist caricature of their principles?

This complaint follows the same logic as "You want companies to emit less CO2, yet you keep breathing". Sure, if you remove all nuance from a topic other people's decisions often make little sense - but that doesn't indicate a problem with their position.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by dvdkon »

cwillu wrote: post #200
dvdkon wrote: post #188

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I'm upset because I strongly prefer rules to be unambiguous and enforceable. This is neither.

Oh no, someone on the internet is doing something you don't like in a place that doesn't affect you!

Actually it does affect me, as I do use Codeberg. And even if I didn't, your comment is pretty much equivalent to "mind your own business" and about as rude. We are all free to complain about things across the world, no?
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