side note : I wish they had an actual link to the companies instead of just their names in https://littletech.org/membership
Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
The same authority he used to enact tariffs and a war.
So, illegally, got it
It has the tacit consent of Congress, so it's mostly only illegal in the way it's carried out. Congress could make most of it legal right now, but they don't want to put their names on it. Some of it would probably be unconstitutional for Congress to authorize (ironically via the nondelegation clause which is now being repurposed to justify a thoroughly unconstituational unitary executive arrangement), but much of it would not be, so it's de jure illegal but de facto legal.
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#53Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
#54> the US can “sanction” companies that engage in intellectual property theft. Peak hypocrisy, US AI companies can train on unlimited intellectual property with 0 rights to it, while Chinese AI companies have to explicitly get the rights to data that isn’t even copyrightable/copyrighted (since AI alone can’t copyright it).
It's not IP theft if US courts say it isn't. And if the accused company is outside of the US, well, US courts have no jurisdiction so apparently the US government can just claim they are guilty and impose the sanctions...
The USA has stolen intellectual property from ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
AI is not trained just in copyrighted USA content.
Other countries have a say about it.
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#56> the US can “sanction” companies that engage in intellectual property theft. Peak hypocrisy, US AI companies can train on unlimited intellectual property with 0 rights to it, while Chinese AI companies have to explicitly get the rights to data that isn’t even copyrightable/copyrighted (since AI alone can’t copyright it).
It's not IP theft if US courts say it isn't. And if the accused company is outside of the US, well, US courts have no jurisdiction so apparently the US government can just claim they are guilty and impose the sanctions...
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#57How do you ban numbers?
How do you ban melted sand?
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#58I think we should shut it off. It would force US companies to build open models.
US labs would have even less incentive to build open if we blocked foreign open weight models, and we'd be engaging in protectionism yet again, also giving them zero incentive to compete.
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#59Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
#60So Y Combinator signed it too? But this is HN, Y combinator website. I think I am missing something because I never read any opinion like 'we should ban Chinese models'.