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Re: Show HN: Bento - An entire PowerPoint in one HTML file (edit+view+data+collab)

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Post by starfallg »

deaux wrote: post #189
starfallg wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly what we've seen in our company. A lot of techies create these awesome web-app presentations which look awesome and wows everybody, but then some poor person that has Claude but not Claude Code (we somehow decided it was only for techies/SWEs) would then be scratching their heads on what to do because some figures are wrong and they need to update it before the very-important-steerco in the afternoon.

Do they not have cowork? This is so exemplary for why Anthropic has been focusing on Cowork and why OpenAI has now copied them with "Codex in ChatGPT App".

Yes, but 1. Cowork burns tokens, lots of them, and tokens are rationed on the Enterprise plans, and 2. You need to know how to prompt it to make the changes. It's often a slow and painful process if all you want to change is a number here and there, or the colour of a box.

Re: Show HN: Bento - An entire PowerPoint in one HTML file (edit+view+data+collab)

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Post by hokage-at-leaf »

starfallg wrote: post #33
momojo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you chew on monetization at all? I'm building something similar but for bio-imaging scientists, where I've packed everything I can into a single HTML (and even some modern segmentation models like Cellpose3 and StarDist that fit under Cloudflare's 25MB free tier limit haha. Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead but I'm hoping maybe I can cover the (future?) compute costs by charging for the heavy duty ML that would ha…

If you have a backend that does processing, I'm sure you can monetise it. But for Bento, the whole idea is to forgo the backend, so I didn't really think about it that much. If an enterprise version comes, I'm sure there is a way to integrate stuff like SSO that you can charge for.

Yeah, i think that is the right direction. I have built free local pdf/image tools but had to cover the compute cost (which is too much these days to afford as a solo dev) so I HAD to build paid workflows as well. https://pixlpdf.com/tools

Re: Show HN: Bento - An entire PowerPoint in one HTML file (edit+view+data+collab)

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Post by akserg »

starfallg wrote: post #198
moontear wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we UPDATE the underlying engine once it gets new features? Since this is a self contained HTML file I am not sure how this works. Editing multiple things at once (select via CTRL) needs some more options (like text centering).

Bento has auto-update baked in. It checks for signed updates in a manifest, downloads it, rewrite the file structure with the new and reloads with the new file.

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Re: Show HN: Bento - An entire PowerPoint in one HTML file (edit+view+data+collab)

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Post by cseleborg »

starfallg wrote: post #145
ninjahawk1 wrote: post #42

I’ve honestly been kind of surprised that large companies software hasn’t been recreated for free en masse from the use of AI in a weekend. I’ve definitely seen some cases but it’s not as common as I had personally expected.

In my day job, we have several teams doing this replacing mainly SaaS vendors. It's a easy sell and very low risk replacing basically CRUD web interfaces over databases.

A bit off-topic, but it is interesting that you say this.

Just earlier today I listened to Startups for the Rest of Us podcast episode 842 [1] titled "The future of SaaS in an AI World", where host Rob Walling addresses the "SaaS is dead" question. One of his arguments is that it's rarely worth spending time on rebuilding your SaaS vendors' solutions, taking time away from your core mission. But I guess that:

  1. the projects you hinted at are low-value services (e.g. CRUD web apps over DBs), and not SaaS services which have real moats, like CRM (connectors ecosystem) or email service providers (IP reputation, IT security).

  2. His argument applies to startups, where you're trying to grow your valuation by growing revenue (valuation = 5-10x yearly revenue) as opposed to established corporations which usually have a higher incentive to limit costs.
You seem like a very smart person, so I'd be curious to hear your thoughts here. Were these low-value SaaS services, and is this in the context of an established business?

Bento is awesome, well done!

[1] https://www.startupsfortherestofus.com/episodes/episode-842-...

Re: Show HN: Bento - An entire PowerPoint in one HTML file (edit+view+data+collab)

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Post by momojo »

hokage-at-leaf wrote: post #232
starfallg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a backend that does processing, I'm sure you can monetise it. But for Bento, the whole idea is to forgo the backend, so I didn't really think about it that much. If an enterprise version comes, I'm sure there is a way to integrate stuff like SSO that you can charge for.

Yeah, i think that is the right direction. I have built free local pdf/image tools but had to cover the compute cost (which is too much these days to afford as a solo dev) so I HAD to build paid workflows as well. https://pixlpdf.com/tools

Nice. Did it end up working out?

Re: Show HN: Bento - An entire PowerPoint in one HTML file (edit+view+data+collab)

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Post by ericyd »

PhilippGille wrote: post #118
starfallg wrote: post #2

Hi, I'm the creator of Bento. Just wanted to share a bit more about how I created it beyond what's in Github. The file contains more or less two sections. There is a plain block of JSON near the top of the file which is the slide data. You can read, grep, or point a harness at it. The app itself is in a base64 blob that loads through a small shim which deflates in the browser with DecompressionStream, which keeps the…

The project looks very interesting, thanks for sharing! You seem to have created a new GitHub account just for this project a week ago. Do you have any other GitHub accounts that enable us to see a track record of your work (maintenance, security)?

Good faith question: what would you do with this information if you had it? For example, do you have a systematic audit plan for github accounts that you execute before using a project?
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