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Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by SlightlyLeftPad »

sureshpaulchamy wrote: post #489

I face a different issue on LG TV, Every time i turn off the Live Plus option, but it got enabled again on its own without being asked. no consent at all. Has anyone else seen this ?

Yes. Mine isn’t even connected to the internet. It triggers rage when shortly thereafter a full screen page takes over during the final minutes of a world cup game telling me that I need to connect to the internet to use voice control. I watch using apple tv so that turns into a panic to find the lg remote I never use to skip this menu.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by Mindwipe »

tjoff wrote: post #418
Mindwipe wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When was the last time you saw a completely open residential wifi access point in the wild? This seems a little like worrying about getting Dodo poisoning.

maybe not residential, but if you are close to a coffee shop or bar or anything else that offers it...

I genuinely don't recall the last time I saw one of those that didn't require me to at least go to a registration page to accept the terms and conditions in order to actually transmit any traffic.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by sureshpaulchamy »

SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #491
sureshpaulchamy wrote: post #489

I face a different issue on LG TV, Every time i turn off the Live Plus option, but it got enabled again on its own without being asked. no consent at all. Has anyone else seen this ?

Yes. Mine isn’t even connected to the internet. It triggers rage when shortly thereafter a full screen page takes over during the final minutes of a world cup game telling me that I need to connect to the internet to use voice control. I watch using apple tv so that turns into a panic to find the lg remote I never use to skip this menu.

thats weird i thought of getting Apple tv will solve this issue, looks like it bring new issues

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by temporallobe »

jhallenworld wrote: post #371

I have a new LG TV, holy moly what a terrible user experience. Out of the box it requires you to create an LG account. PITA, but OK. Except I was supposed to set the location first, instead I set it after. So now you have the problem that you can not log into LG.com using my own email (even from a web browser) because it says: "incorrect country". I contacted their tech support about this, the only fix is to switch b…

Not sure why optical is a problem in 2026! I have a 2014 Samsung plasma dumb-TV and pipe the optical straight to my old (2002-ish) Yamaha receiver with absolutely zero issues (no sync drifting) and it sounds like a dream compared to the soundbar on my other TV.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by Laurel1234 »

nerdsniper wrote: post #412
Laurel1234 wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also it's really important to tell every guest in your home that the TV is recording everything they say or you'll be violating wiretapping laws, as per the EULA.

Source? Wow.

The other user provided great context but if anyone thinks I'm exaggerating in any way shape or form read the user agreement in LG's own site:

https://www.lg.com/uk/lge-terms/

> i. CONSENT REQUIREMENT: You acknowledge and agree that it is your sole responsibility to obtain all necessary consents from any third parties whose voices may be captured by the Product and to notify household members and guests that their voices may be captured and processed, in compliance with applicable wiretapping, eavesdropping, and privacy laws. If anyone does not consent, you should disable the microphone or voice features in the settings. LGE disclaims any liability for your failure to obtain such consent or provide such notification

Genuinely one of the most batshit insane things I've seen a company pull, their entire board should be liquidated along with their parents for failing to raise them.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by jacobgold »

inigyou wrote: post #488
jacobgold wrote: post #481

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Because this is exactly like file sharing...

The ways you are asking the government to mutilate the internet are quite similar to the ways the media industries asked the government to mutilate the internet.

What I'm calling for is exactly how things are already supposed to work.

The US government should already be infiltrating hacker groups and identifying infected American computers. Internet providers should be informing customers that hackers have compromised their devices.

Characterizing this as "mutilating the internet" is ridiculous.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by preg_match »

vel0city wrote: post #436
preg_match wrote: post #400

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There is one major difference: those install under your users. I haven’t seen a windows installer that didn’t require admin. Some older Linux apps require sudo. They don’t need to do that anymore, not for a while. We have xdg standards of where to install stuff in a users home directory.

Tons of Windows apps these days install into user's AppData these days. Its common for installers to ask "Install for everyone or just me".

The last time I used Windows seriously, which was Windows 10, this was not the case. If that's changed then great. But we need to acknowledge that Windows software install is changing to become more Linux-ified. With package managers and repos out of the box.

Clearly the Linux model is more secure, and Microsoft knows it. It's a good idea for Microsoft to take inspiration here. It's only a matter of time before they do containerization too, ala Flatpak. The biggest hurdle to that is Windows doesn't have native containers and the entire container ecosystem is build around Linux.

If Microsoft wanted my advice, which they don't, I think it would cost less at this point to just make Windows a Linux distro. Wine is already better at running older Windows software than Windows. Just expand Wine a bit, add in acceleration where it doesn't already exist, and boom you're done. Nobody would even notice.

And maybe then Windows on ARM wouldn't suck so much.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by vel0city »

preg_match wrote: post #497
vel0city wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tons of Windows apps these days install into user's AppData these days. Its common for installers to ask "Install for everyone or just me".

The last time I used Windows seriously, which was Windows 10, this was not the case. If that's changed then great. But we need to acknowledge that Windows software install is changing to become more Linux-ified. With package managers and repos out of the box. Clearly the Linux model is more secure, and Microsoft knows it. It's a good idea for Microsoft to take inspiration here. It's only a matter of time before they…

> The last time I used Windows seriously, which was Windows 10, this was not the case.

Apps like Chrome and Spotify have been doing it for almost 20 years, since they made their Windows apps back in 2008. Python updated their installer to install to the user profile in 2015 with version 3.5.0. VSCode started doing it in 2018. Discord did it at launch in 2015. Zoom and Teams and Slack do it and have for a long time. Its been a pretty common pattern for a long time.

> Windows doesn't have native containers

Windows supports Windows containers natively and has supported Windows containers for a decade.

> maybe then Windows on ARM wouldn't suck so much.

Windows on Arm these days really isn't bad. It definitely sucked a lot several years ago with tons of compatibility issues (along the timeframe you said you last used it seriously), but they've made massive improvements since.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by jhallenworld »

Laurel1234 wrote: post #495
nerdsniper wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Wow.

The other user provided great context but if anyone thinks I'm exaggerating in any way shape or form read the user agreement in LG's own site: https://www.lg.com/uk/lge-terms/ > i. CONSENT REQUIREMENT: You acknowledge and agree that it is your sole responsibility to obtain all necessary consents from any third parties whose voices may be captured by the Product and to notify household members and guests that their vo…

So actually, this TV is for an AIR B&B I rent out. I guess technically I need to add their stupid EULA to my rental agreement.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by rnd0 »

jacobgold wrote: post #369

US residential proxies are the bane of the internet. They're the major source of social media manipulation and spam. Services can dramatically reduce abuse by blocking entire IP ranges based on country of origin, organization, or type (hosting providers). But a company can't block US residential IPs if it would also cut off many of their real customers. The US government (probably the NSA) should be cracking down har…

Alternate take; deliberately broken moderation systems and perverse incentives are the biggest source of social media manipulation.

Fix social media, and leave the consumers alone.

Also the firehose of spam will continue regardless of what you do on the consumer end.

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